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Protein metabolic pathway
I deleted this post because I wasn't sure it added much.
Have you ever seen a carnivore eat? Most people I have known thought it impossible for me to eat 4# of meat in a sitting. Regularly. The point in using high numbers to make the point is to take ideas to their extreme. Not just to establish limits, but mainly to establish what the indicators of approach to those limits are. That allows one to sense those indicators earlier next time to avoid the downsides of those limits. From long, repeated and uniform experience, know that eating more than 2.5% of body weight in meat per day will quickly cause what friends call meat sweats. Pronounced ammonia stink. Body builders and weight lifters have known this for decades. Continue long enough and worse symptoms will arise.
Maybe oatmeal does not cure scurvy. More pertinent though are old naval records of sailors with scurvy symptoms resolved or prevented with oatmeal or lemons. Personal experience with both. Could not get enough lemon while on keto to keep up with vitamin A induced scurvy. Shawn baker obviously ate differently than I did. I ate plenty organ meats and other sources of vit A.
Fortunately or not, Garrett Smith is most certainly right: when ingesting poison, the poison always win. The poison will inevitably overwhelm unless and until ingestion is stopped and detoxing is improved. As near as can be seen so far vit C only stops symptoms by stopping detox temporarily. Oatmeal and other fiber sources reduce symptoms by helping excretion keep up with detox rates. Some people like using both to moderate rates of excretion and detox.
Am currently testing this idea over last 10 months. Pain and injury is down 95% as long as I retox minimally (zero organ meats now and ever) and keep detox paced with excretion. Where and when I fail to follow Garrett's and Grant's advice, I feel it within hours.
Curious how many here are questioning basic premises that Garrett and Grant put forward. Gives the impression these skeptics did not read Grant's books.
I did a lean protein diet some years ago to lose some weight, but I was already pretty thin. I lost like a pound a day, and then my hair started falling out! Thats why I stopped the diet, after a week or so. I did not get any other symptoms. I just lost weight crazy fast! I ate kenguru and other very lean meats. No fat no carbs. I need to try that again and see if I lose my hair now, as I am a bit fatter now..lol
a friend of mine did a rabbit starvation experiment once, he ate whole rabbits, organs everything. He baked them in the oven and ate all of them. He did not get any bad symptoms at all. I dont remember how long he did it but it was several weeks iirc. He was lean and muscular but maybe because he ate the whole rabbit skin and all, he got enough nutrients and some fat (eyes etc)
@joe well I've made it plain I now don't believe that hypervitaminosis a was my main issue. I do think huge amounts of it aren't good though. None of the foods I cut out in the name of cutting down vitamin A gave me any issues beforehand: dairy, tomatoes, peppers, pork, fish, or even greens. And after I cut those foods out nothing really improved for me, My thinning hair kept thinning, my weight kept creeping up, my mental health and my energy levels were low. The sole thing that made any real health marker improve (up until I began taking the omega 6 oils) was when I cut out Cod liver oil. Immediately (after a week) my blood pressure which had been running high went to normal. My cholesterol lowered as well. I attribute that to simply stopping cod liver oil and now believe it was the huge amount of omega 3 oil that negatively affected my health. So if VA is an issue for you, you have every right to take what I say as not pertinent to your health issues and path.
For the record, I have read all of what Grant and Garrett have said on the subject. Also, oatmeal and soluble fiber never helped any of the issues I've had. It bulks up stools for sure, which can be helpfulfor some. I don't think it was a miracle for anything else though. It never gave me energy, helped hair growth, or improved sleep or mood.
Quote from Jessica2 on May 30, 2023, 4:05 pm@inger I don't know if I'd ever willingly do a diet that made me lose my hair. I've had such issues with it the past couple years I might just stay a few pounds over weight if it meant I kept my hair l o l.
@jessica, oh yes I feel you!! Thats why I am not doing it either.... LOL
I already cut my hair too short the other day because it looked so fuzzy, and i soo regret it 🙁 🙁 The weird thing is my hair was lush and healthy in winter, and now after 5 months bean protocol, no coffee, its does not look as good. Thats really hard for me.
I wonder if eating beans with meals/meat will make you take up less nutrients or something. I am going to start eating beans apart from my meals to see if I regain my shiny hair.
Quote from Inger on May 30, 2023, 11:29 ama friend of mine did a rabbit starvation experiment once, he ate whole rabbits, organs everything. He baked them in the oven and ate all of them. He did not get any bad symptoms at all. I dont remember how long he did it but it was several weeks iirc. He was lean and muscular but maybe because he ate the whole rabbit skin and all, he got enough nutrients and some fat (eyes etc)
luckily for him a few weeks on rabbit wont matter much at all. The prolems take up to 5-6 months to get severe usually