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bile talk reminds me of...antiquity
"...a Swedish physician who devised the erythrocyte sedimentation rate, suggested that the four humors were based upon the observation of blood clotting in a transparent container. When blood is drawn in a glass container and left undisturbed for about an hour, four different layers can be seen: a dark clot forms at the bottom (the "black bile"); above the clot is a layer of red blood cells (the "blood"); above this is a whitish layer of white blood cells (the "phlegm"); the top layer is clear yellow serum (the "yellow bile").[23]
Many Greek texts were written during the golden age of the theory of the four humors in Greek medicine after Galen. One of those texts was an anonymous treatise called On the Constitution of the Universe and of Man, published in the mid-19th century by J. L. Ideler. In this text, the author establishes the relationship between elements of the universe (air, water, earth, fire) and elements of the man (blood, yellow bile, black bile, phlegm).[24] He said that:
- The people who have red blood are friendly. They joke and laugh about their bodies, and they are rose-tinted, slightly red, and have pretty skin.
- The people who have yellow bile are bitter, short tempered, and daring. They appear greenish and have yellow skin.
- The people who are composed of black bile are lazy, fearful, and sickly. They have black hair and black eyes.
- Those who have phlegm are low spirited, forgetful, and have white hair."
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism
- (in the same order: sanguine, choleric, melancholic, phlegmatic)
You can laugh all you want, but blood letting was done then to help with all this, and has been recommended here...
I wonder if those four layers of the blood DO become more balanced when a person is not VA toxic. Could this "system" be a low-tech way to monitor your balance?
I seem to be a bit of sanguine and a bit of phlegmatic. (red skin, white hair). Over time on lower VA my red skin has moderated. Some here believe their white hair has moderated. Perhaps a little melancholic sometimes...
I found it interesting to try to translate the descriptions into modern language and realized that we have all the same problems now:
"joke and laugh about their bodies" prone or not prone to body dysmorphic disorder?
"have pretty skin" prone or not prone to acne or eczema?
"are friendly" prone or not prone to social anxiety?
"bitter, short tempered" prone or not prone to anger management problems?
"daring" prone or not prone to self-control issues/ self-confidence issues
"lazy, sickly" prone or not prone to chronic digestion issues, chronic fatigue, exercise intolerance
"fearful" prone or not prone to chronic anxiety
"low spirited" prone or not prone to depression
More to it than one might think. Processed units of blood for blood center. Probably handled 250k units. Vast majority of these units I dealt directly with and sometimes hands on with donors. Every 500ml unit is different. Most distinctive unit elicited call from team leader back to medical director concerned for donor's health. While it settled in my storage cooler, it settled out with top yellow fatty layer making 75% of bag. Bottom 125ml was mostly serum with hardly any red cells. Dude would have failed on a red cell apheresis machine. Medical director had team leader ask what donor ate. Huge ribs lunch. He might have defined huge differently than we do. While in our unit, he drank and ate 20 to 30 times what all the other donors ate and drank. And he took as much with him when he left. Stout tough looking guy about 5'9", 230# fat but not flabby. Factory worker in pesticide plant. He drank like 50 cans of orange juice and apple juice and slammed through our cookies and chips.
Do toxins influence appetite? Does food intake influence GI function? Liver function?
Quote from Joe2 on September 12, 2024, 8:15 pmMore to it than one might think. Processed units of blood for blood center. Probably handled 250k units. Vast majority of these units I dealt directly with and sometimes hands on with donors. Every 500ml unit is different. Most distinctive unit elicited call from team leader back to medical director concerned for donor's health. While it settled in my storage cooler, it settled out with top yellow fatty layer making 75% of bag. Bottom 125ml was mostly serum with hardly any red cells. Dude would have failed on a red cell apheresis machine. Medical director had team leader ask what donor ate. Huge ribs lunch. He might have defined huge differently than we do. While in our unit, he drank and ate 20 to 30 times what all the other donors ate and drank. And he took as much with him when he left. Stout tough looking guy about 5'9", 230# fat but not flabby. Factory worker in pesticide plant. He drank like 50 cans of orange juice and apple juice and slammed through our cookies and chips.
Do toxins influence appetite? Does food intake influence GI function? Liver function?
I don't know why but this story made me chuckle! 50 cans of OJ and apple juice?!?!? LMAO.
Sounds like he's going to keel over at any moment lol. Pesticide factory workers must be so stressed, they have to continually eat and eat and eat to prevent any toxins from surging through their veins.
Quote from Janelle525 on September 13, 2024, 7:54 amQuote from Joe2 on September 12, 2024, 8:15 pmMore to it than one might think. Processed units of blood for blood center. Probably handled 250k units. Vast majority of these units I dealt directly with and sometimes hands on with donors. Every 500ml unit is different. Most distinctive unit elicited call from team leader back to medical director concerned for donor's health. While it settled in my storage cooler, it settled out with top yellow fatty layer making 75% of bag. Bottom 125ml was mostly serum with hardly any red cells. Dude would have failed on a red cell apheresis machine. Medical director had team leader ask what donor ate. Huge ribs lunch. He might have defined huge differently than we do. While in our unit, he drank and ate 20 to 30 times what all the other donors ate and drank. And he took as much with him when he left. Stout tough looking guy about 5'9", 230# fat but not flabby. Factory worker in pesticide plant. He drank like 50 cans of orange juice and apple juice and slammed through our cookies and chips.
Do toxins influence appetite? Does food intake influence GI function? Liver function?
I don't know why but this story made me chuckle! 50 cans of OJ and apple juice?!?!? LMAO.
Sounds like he's going to keel over at any moment lol. Pesticide factory workers must be so stressed, they have to continually eat and eat and eat to prevent any toxins from surging through their veins.
Tough guy 20 years ago. Probably not as tough now. They were those little bluebird juice cans, 5.5 oz. Even the cans were probably toxic. Still 99% of people drink one or two cans and walk away. Guy was pounding them. An hour after a big rib lunch. Spent a day taking blood from guys in their break room in that factory. Smell was killing us just in the break room. Work areas much worse. None of those guys working there could smell. Got back to the center, we were all wondering if that blood should be tossed.
Quote from Joe2 on September 13, 2024, 9:49 amQuote from Janelle525 on September 13, 2024, 7:54 amQuote from Joe2 on September 12, 2024, 8:15 pmMore to it than one might think. Processed units of blood for blood center. Probably handled 250k units. Vast majority of these units I dealt directly with and sometimes hands on with donors. Every 500ml unit is different. Most distinctive unit elicited call from team leader back to medical director concerned for donor's health. While it settled in my storage cooler, it settled out with top yellow fatty layer making 75% of bag. Bottom 125ml was mostly serum with hardly any red cells. Dude would have failed on a red cell apheresis machine. Medical director had team leader ask what donor ate. Huge ribs lunch. He might have defined huge differently than we do. While in our unit, he drank and ate 20 to 30 times what all the other donors ate and drank. And he took as much with him when he left. Stout tough looking guy about 5'9", 230# fat but not flabby. Factory worker in pesticide plant. He drank like 50 cans of orange juice and apple juice and slammed through our cookies and chips.
Do toxins influence appetite? Does food intake influence GI function? Liver function?
I don't know why but this story made me chuckle! 50 cans of OJ and apple juice?!?!? LMAO.
Sounds like he's going to keel over at any moment lol. Pesticide factory workers must be so stressed, they have to continually eat and eat and eat to prevent any toxins from surging through their veins.
Tough guy 20 years ago. Probably not as tough now. They were those little bluebird juice cans, 5.5 oz. Even the cans were probably toxic. Still 99% of people drink one or two cans and walk away. Guy was pounding them. An hour after a big rib lunch. Spent a day taking blood from guys in their break room in that factory. Smell was killing us just in the break room. Work areas much worse. None of those guys working there could smell. Got back to the center, we were all wondering if that blood should be tossed.
Oh My!! Yeah... not a good place to get donor blood!!!!
He was pounding them!! LOL
Has anyone tried apherisis? I remember seeing a clip about a doctor who tried this some time ago for long covid (which may be vitamin A/retinoic acid toxicity/poisoning). My symptoms from the covid vaccine fit vitamin A extreme toxicity
It's like the old injunction against eating pork, or the tomato being "the Devil's apple" or the efficacy of bloodletting, or the importance of not mixing dairy with peppers, and all of this is laughed out of the room nowadays. Toxic bile is becoming a thing again, probably thanks to Grant, but the solutions the hucksters suggest won't be so simple, cheap or safe as soluble fiber from beans and brown rice. I remember giving one of my home-grown figs to an old-timer, and I watched incredulously as he peeled it with his pocket knife before eating it. Where did he learn that? Humanity has a collective amnesia at this point which according to the stats is doing no favors.
Quote from Joseph on August 24, 2025, 9:05 pmIt's like the old injunction against eating pork, or the tomato being "the Devil's apple" or the efficacy of bloodletting, or the importance of not mixing dairy with peppers, and all of this is laughed out of the room nowadays. Toxic bile is becoming a thing again, probably thanks to Grant, but the solutions the hucksters suggest won't be so simple, cheap or safe as soluble fiber from beans and brown rice. I remember giving one of my home-grown figs to an old-timer, and I watched incredulously as he peeled it with his pocket knife before eating it. Where did he learn that? Humanity has a collective amnesia at this point which according to the stats is doing no favors.
Is that like peeling green kiwi to get the oxalates out? What about dried figs?
Quote from Tanveen on August 14, 2025, 10:14 amHas anyone tried apherisis? I remember seeing a clip about a doctor who tried this some time ago for long covid (which may be vitamin A/retinoic acid toxicity/poisoning). My symptoms from the covid vaccine fit vitamin A extreme toxicity
Have you read about Grant's experience doing plasma pheresis?