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Fasting
Im curious if anyone has used fasting in their approach to a low vitamin A diet? I've continued to experience pretty bad skin inflammation and decided to do a 20 hour dry fast last week. It was surprisingly easy and I did notice some reduction in skin inflammation. I've heard some in the low vitamin A community say fasting just temporarily shuts down detox, so its possible this is where I gained my relief from. I am intrigued by the ability to generate new immune cells, and it seems dry fasting is even better for this purpose. I plan on doing a few more 24 hour dry fasts this month to see if it can help calm down my skin. I get plenty of protein and moderate carbs from diet so Im not overly worried about damaging my metabolism.
Would be curious to hear anyone else's opinion or experience with fasting.
12 years intermittent fasting daily 22 hours previous to last 21 months with blog that must not be named. It was hard for me to go back to eating more meals first few months while in serious pain. Felt like pain reduced during hungriest times of day. Even just a little. Experiments with more food in smaller amounts got me recognizing that overall peak pains reduced, even if duration and frequency were more. When peak pain got low enough to let me sleep more I was sold on more meals. That is about the time I started black oatmeal with meals and in small servings between meals. Burning taste and burps were gone immediately. Took thatas a signal the steady flow of black oatmeal was knocking down bile dumps.
Have played with intermittent fasts a few times during last 21 months. Issues arise but nothing like those first 3 months. Still, I am convinced fasting slows down detox medium and long term. It probably does stop it short term. Curious if healing occurs by giving GI tract a break if the short term detox shut down is worth it. Suppose that will depend the most on how much toxins come out of tissue during fast (stored in fat cells used during ketosis) and how much toxins are taken in via skin and lungs during fast.
Let us know how it goes.
Fasting makes me feel like absolute death, like the flu suddenly came on. At least last time I went without food by mistake. It was a while back. I think it is a natural thing to find oneself without food occasionally, and shows a lack of resilience to not be able to tolerate it. So you have that going for you, Griffin, that is great that you have that resiliency. There have been episodes of the TV show "Survivor" in which several participants have gone through really tough times with fasting. Maybe it would be smart for me to work toward fasting with longer and longer times without food.
There are a half a dozen threads here on this site about fasting. It's too bad that this forum software doesn't flag that. But you can go and read all the opinions that have already been posted about fasting by using the search feature. There might be some gems in there.
@lil-chick I have come across some of the blogs on fasting, but the search engine doesn't seem to group them all together. Still digging through old posts to see what worked for some members. I can also understand how fasting won't be great for a lot of people. It does seem like a certain level of metabolic flexibility is required to fast without feeling like death. The reason I was attracted to dry fasting was because its not supposed to take as long to achieve the same benefits one would get from a multi day water fast. The main benefit for me right now may just be slowing down detox, but at this point Ill take whatever I can get.
@joe2 sounds like you have been down this road as well. Considering I'm only 155 lbs at 5-10 I definitely can't rely on extended fasts to try and heal my current issues. However the 24 hour dry fasts have been tolerated well so far. It very well may be slowing down detox, but that may be a lever I have to pull to get some relief from my skin at the moment. I do think there is some merit to giving the GI tract a break from interacting with food.
Also I just ordered some sprouted organic oats so Im going to give the black oatmeal a try. Appreciate the feedback as usual.
Quote from Griffin on September 23, 2024, 12:58 pm@lil-chick I have come across some of the blogs on fasting, but the search engine doesn't seem to group them all together. Still digging through old posts to see what worked for some members. I can also understand how fasting won't be great for a lot of people. It does seem like a certain level of metabolic flexibility is required to fast without feeling like death. The reason I was attracted to dry fasting was because its not supposed to take as long to achieve the same benefits one would get from a multi day water fast. The main benefit for me right now may just be slowing down detox, but at this point Ill take whatever I can get.
@joe2 sounds like you have been down this road as well. Considering I'm only 155 lbs at 5-10 I definitely can't rely on extended fasts to try and heal my current issues. However the 24 hour dry fasts have been tolerated well so far. It very well may be slowing down detox, but that may be a lever I have to pull to get some relief from my skin at the moment. I do think there is some merit to giving the GI tract a break from interacting with food.
Also I just ordered some sprouted organic oats so Im going to give the black oatmeal a try. Appreciate the feedback as usual.
Hm. Why sprouted? Had thought of that for others but not oats.
Yeh. I am 4" taller 10 - 15# lighter and a decade or 4 older. I put zero stock in size being determinant in fasting endurance. Same as I feel about calories in calories out trope. All experience proves otherwise. From all friends in "the blog who must not be named" (tbwmnbn) and 5 decades experimenting and now in the context of the last 21 months I am now confident (more than I was when I started keto) that toxin flow is determinant. If toxins are flowing in or out symptoms arise. The skin ones are the worst as far as I am concerned. Those toxins all get reabsorbed. That is part of what convinced me to stop working towards slowing detox and instead on speeding excretion.
Similar to breath training I got in various realms. Never focus on the in. Focus on the out and let the in happen. Being out of breath is not a shortage of in. It is not getting enough out. Similar elsewhere. Putting the brakes on might buy time but not relief, never lasting relief and always worse relapses.
As far as skin, while I think frequent showers are stupid for most, especially using fluoridated and copper contaminated city water, there is phenomenal relief to be found with hot rinses. The stuff that is coming out gets washed away instead of reabsorbed. During my worst I took 3 to 5 showers a day. I think you are already familiar with my threads here and elsewhere on scalding eczema and urushiol rashes. A number of folk concurred, when that rash is bad, the scald is euphoric. The boils I had were related and in sync with the rashes, just boiling out from a lot deeper. Much more painful and usually not itchy until danger painful part passed. Almost like deep bee sting from underneath.
Grant's books give some of the best descriptions and analysis I have seen on those rashes. I do know they are related. During my worst antibiotic abuse years, I used to get them together. Remember more than a few occasions where I had an itch rash localized on a leg, got a cut on my hand that turned into an itchy hard to heal infected red inflamed sore and got a deep zit boiling up on my high mid right back over my rhomboid. Then the rash on my leg started red streaks running up my leg as I got crazy fever and fatigue - blood poisoning. That took IV antibiotics and bed rest for a month to clear.
I remember feeling it a week coming though. Man I wish I had notes on what I ate that month. Looking back it was lacto/ovo so I am confident it was a lot of eggs, milk, rice, wheat germ, butter and my fresh whole wheat bread. Oh yeh and cottage cheese, tomato and sunflower seed.
So my guess is that charcoal in the GI tract and frequent showers and zinc on the skin can help speed up the excrete as it has for me. I think the zinc gets in to help build retinol binding protein and the showers and charcoal help get what is already out of the liver excreted out and off of the body.
Good luck let me know how it goes. And how and when it starts coming out faster so the symptoms fade.
Quote from Joe2 on September 23, 2024, 1:42 pm... I am now confident ... that toxin flow is determinant. If toxins are flowing in or out symptoms arise. ... convinced me to stop working towards slowing detox and instead on speeding excretion.
Valuable post. Thank you, @joe2, for taking the time to write about that topic.
Quote from Larry on September 24, 2024, 12:08 pmQuote from Joe2 on September 23, 2024, 1:42 pm... I am now confident ... that toxin flow is determinant. If toxins are flowing in or out symptoms arise. ... convinced me to stop working towards slowing detox and instead on speeding excretion.
Valuable post. Thank you, @joe2, for taking the time to write about that topic.
Pleasure is mine. Hope it helps. I want to read a testimonial some day about how Grant's and Garrett's ideas helped you as much as they have me and a growing list of us.
Reign in the adverts, Joe2, or you will soon be the poster-who-has-no-name. That would make us very sad because we appreciate your participation.
Hey, Joe, can you answer my question on the accutane "low back neck and jaw pain" thread before you get banned for annoying the mods? thx.