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Foamy Urine
I read somewhere that foamy urine might be related to vitamin A or vitamin A detox. Does anyone have more information about whether this is the case and, if the foamy urine is related to vitamin A, what is in the urine that makes it foamy?
I read somewhere that foamy urine might be related to vitamin A or vitamin A detox. Does anyone have more information about whether this is the case and, if the foamy urine is related to vitamin A, what is in the urine that makes it foamy?
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Moebius on May 23, 2021, 10:32 pm
A man with MS nnd diabetes told me the foamy urine is a sign of diabetes. If MS and diabetes are caused by Vitamin A detox, that would make sense.
A man with MS nnd diabetes told me the foamy urine is a sign of diabetes. If MS and diabetes are caused by Vitamin A detox, that would make sense.
If the urine is painful, it could be a sign of oxalate dumping too, though I don't think anyone is gonna dump oxalates if they eat black beans regularly unless you come from a diet of spinach smoothies and almond flour.
If the urine is painful, it could be a sign of oxalate dumping too, though I don't think anyone is gonna dump oxalates if they eat black beans regularly unless you come from a diet of spinach smoothies and almond flour.
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Jenny on May 24, 2021, 2:08 am
My understanding is that urine is largely the back up way the body gets rid of toxicity. Most toxicity should go out in the bile. When the liver is cholestatic (vA and many other things cause this) and the bile is not flowing well into the small intestine, then the body has an ‘emergency exit’ for toxicity, into the blood and to the kidneys and urine (it can exit through skin too). It seems likely that foamy urine is a sign of lots of toxicity exiting via the kidneys. I’m guessing this as I haven’t researched this particular issue. It would strike me that a sicker person is more likely to have this going on. Too much toxicity going through the kidneys is not a good thing imo.
My understanding is that urine is largely the back up way the body gets rid of toxicity. Most toxicity should go out in the bile. When the liver is cholestatic (vA and many other things cause this) and the bile is not flowing well into the small intestine, then the body has an ‘emergency exit’ for toxicity, into the blood and to the kidneys and urine (it can exit through skin too). It seems likely that foamy urine is a sign of lots of toxicity exiting via the kidneys. I’m guessing this as I haven’t researched this particular issue. It would strike me that a sicker person is more likely to have this going on. Too much toxicity going through the kidneys is not a good thing imo.
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@jaj
Hydrophilic substances get eliminated through urine, whereas hydrophobic ones get out through bile, there is no "back up" way.
@jaj
Hydrophilic substances get eliminated through urine, whereas hydrophobic ones get out through bile, there is no "back up" way.
All these ideas are interesting! Anyone know how to know who is right?
All these ideas are interesting! Anyone know how to know who is right?
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Jenny on May 24, 2021, 7:57 am
Yes. I am. 🤣
https://www.thesibodoctor.com/2017/10/09/sibo-and-detoxification-with-dr-chris-shade/
This is a good listen from detox expert Chris Shade.
There are also 40 webinars on YouTube by Quicksilver on the details of how the body detoxifies. I’ve not listened to all 40 but I’ve listened to several. ‘If bile builds up in the hepatocytes (lack of bile flow) it gets exported back into the blood’.
Garrett Smith has done a lot of research on this so if you are in his advanced programme there are loads of research references in his videos.
I’m sure that some substances are meant to be excreted via the urine. That’s not what I meant to imply (re-reading what I wrote I didn’t make this clear). What I’m saying is that if the liver isn’t producing bile well and/or excreting it into the small intestine then there is an ‘emergency exit’ a ‘back door’ for these toxins to enter blood then urine, or they would otherwise kill the liver cells. Therefore, under these circumstances a lot of extra toxicity is shunted through the kidneys. This is not good long term. The body has many back up systems. This is not an opinion. This is fact. This is what happens. Toxins from bile, which should exit via the gut in a fully healthy person, can enter blood and are excreted by kidneys.
Yes. I am. 🤣
https://www.thesibodoctor.com/2017/10/09/sibo-and-detoxification-with-dr-chris-shade/
This is a good listen from detox expert Chris Shade.
There are also 40 webinars on YouTube by Quicksilver on the details of how the body detoxifies. I’ve not listened to all 40 but I’ve listened to several. ‘If bile builds up in the hepatocytes (lack of bile flow) it gets exported back into the blood’.
Garrett Smith has done a lot of research on this so if you are in his advanced programme there are loads of research references in his videos.
I’m sure that some substances are meant to be excreted via the urine. That’s not what I meant to imply (re-reading what I wrote I didn’t make this clear). What I’m saying is that if the liver isn’t producing bile well and/or excreting it into the small intestine then there is an ‘emergency exit’ a ‘back door’ for these toxins to enter blood then urine, or they would otherwise kill the liver cells. Therefore, under these circumstances a lot of extra toxicity is shunted through the kidneys. This is not good long term. The body has many back up systems. This is not an opinion. This is fact. This is what happens. Toxins from bile, which should exit via the gut in a fully healthy person, can enter blood and are excreted by kidneys.
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On the interview with Chris Slade, is the relevant section on foamy urine the part about "Movement of metals into the urinary flow"?
I am on Garrett's site but the videos are around four hours each and so looking for references to foamy urine would be time consuming! I might eventually post this question on Garrett's site.
Thanks!
On the interview with Chris Slade, is the relevant section on foamy urine the part about "Movement of metals into the urinary flow"?
I am on Garrett's site but the videos are around four hours each and so looking for references to foamy urine would be time consuming! I might eventually post this question on Garrett's site.
Thanks!
Here is an academic article on foamy urine. It focuses on proteins and bile salts as causing the foam, with Cholestasis indeed being one reason there could be more bile salts in the urine.
https://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/14/11/1664?WT_MC_ID=TMD01&utm_campaign=Clin_J_Am_Soc_Nephrol_TrendMD_1&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=TrendMD
Here is an academic article on foamy urine. It focuses on proteins and bile salts as causing the foam, with Cholestasis indeed being one reason there could be more bile salts in the urine.
https://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/14/11/1664?WT_MC_ID=TMD01&utm_campaign=Clin_J_Am_Soc_Nephrol_TrendMD_1&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=TrendMD
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Jenny on May 24, 2021, 11:44 pm
Very interesting @jeremy - good find. I hadn’t looked into foamy urine specifically but this fits with the overall picture of toxicity being shunted out through the kidneys. I suspect that is what is happening.
VA causes cholestasis (as do several other things like meds, stress, oestrogen etc - I have put together a list of suspects) so I imagine that most of us here have some level of problem with this. I now believe it’s a major problem for me.
The Garrett Smith videos don’t specifically go into foamy urine but go through the idea that cholestasis is a driving force for what goes wrong. I’d ask the question on the network and post your paper too. Often people have experiences to share that are useful. Same applies to the Chris Shade work - it’s not specifically about foamy urine but about the idea that if bile not flowing well, the liver has a back up pathway where toxicity exits into the blood. When in the blood it goes to brain (brain fog/anxiety), kidneys (back pain, urinary tract problems) and skin (skin issues). We can add foamy urine to the kidney list now.
Very interesting @jeremy - good find. I hadn’t looked into foamy urine specifically but this fits with the overall picture of toxicity being shunted out through the kidneys. I suspect that is what is happening.
VA causes cholestasis (as do several other things like meds, stress, oestrogen etc - I have put together a list of suspects) so I imagine that most of us here have some level of problem with this. I now believe it’s a major problem for me.
The Garrett Smith videos don’t specifically go into foamy urine but go through the idea that cholestasis is a driving force for what goes wrong. I’d ask the question on the network and post your paper too. Often people have experiences to share that are useful. Same applies to the Chris Shade work - it’s not specifically about foamy urine but about the idea that if bile not flowing well, the liver has a back up pathway where toxicity exits into the blood. When in the blood it goes to brain (brain fog/anxiety), kidneys (back pain, urinary tract problems) and skin (skin issues). We can add foamy urine to the kidney list now.
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