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For Men: Abstinence and Healing from Poison A
Pre modern science it was a widely held belief around the world that ejaculation was detrimental to a man's intelligence, strength and overall vitality. Many boxing trainers still drill boxers on the importance of abstinence before a fight.
To a man eager to know when he should have sex with a woman, Pythagoras replied: "when you want to lose what strength you have".
In China it was understood that sex for a man leads to massive loss of Qi. In India, massive loss of Prana. I believe the closest word in the English language for Qi is Vitality.
Semen is very high in zinc (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3570537) as well as many other precious substances. Given the importance of zinc for RBP I thought I would point out that celibacy for men until they have reduced their A levels is likely very helpful.
Hogwash.
Happiness and an excellent relationship with one's mate is highly tied to good health.
Consider a zinc supplement instead. For even better mineral balance fine tuning, follow Dr. Garrett Smith's advice: "test, don't guess".
Quote from Billy on July 12, 2019, 7:29 amHogwash.
Happiness and an excellent relationship with one's mate is highly tied to good health.
Consider a zinc supplement instead. For even better mineral balance fine tuning, follow Dr. Garrett Smith's advice: "test, don't guess".
The fallacy in your reasoning is the implication that happiness and the strength of the relationship are dependent on sex. It is actually quite problematic to have sex for sport, when one is not prepared to have children at that moment with the current partner. Abortions, toxic effects of birth control and unwanted children are some of the potential results. That doesn't sound very happy to me. Regardless I'm not suggesting to be celibate for life, while healing from A toxicity is what I said.
Ah just supplement. Nevermind the idea that trying to be our bodies chemist is arrogant given the extreme complexity of our biochemistry. Humanity doesn't have a great track record with it either.
You have failed to appreciate my post if your conclusion is that a zinc supplement can replace loss of semen.
Interesting post! May I reply even though not a man? 🙂
Sure I can see how zinc might be used up detoxing A that could be used more entertainingly "in the land down under". (And I don't mean Australia). I've been reading a lot here and can remember a few men saying they felt they were becoming a bit more potent with time on the low A diet.
I've read about the Tau of sex and how as men age their frequency of orgasm should reduce. I actually think this is normal and happens anyways (decision or no) and that in general men will not really understand why this is going on and might even think they've fallen out of love with their wife. Thus the desire to buy a sports car and flirt with bikini-clad beach goers...
I think, IIRC women gain chi from orgasm and don't have to be frugal with it.
No one is saying men have to have sex less frequently, actually. It's just the orgasm that is considered to be the draining part. And I could leave that there, but want to comment on the whole birth control thing 🙂
At about age 40 I read the book Taking Charge of Your Fertility (Weschler). Everything is there to help anyone who wants it to discover that there is no need to buy anything or get anything snipped to avoid babies, (or if you want babies, this knowledge helps too). It wasn't really stressed in the book, but during fertile times, coitus interruptus (CI) works very well within the confines of marriage. I'm pretty sure that is how it was always done (in the past), although it probably wasn't logged into books too often. 16 years later and no oops babies.
Why are we told (CI) doesn't work? Why are we told lots of things?
tim: restraining from sex is very powerful and increases "chi" but is dangerous long term if you dont know how to transmute sexual energy into purer and higher forms of chi, which is taught onlh in higher tantric practices. However I think this forum is not the place for esoteric techniques/explanations. Ayahuasca healing for example cannot be explained by science yet is very real and people who take ayahuasca know something they will never be able to share with their fellows because the experience is not on the level of thought and language so it us dismissed by many "intelligent" people.
In any case, abstain from sex for a week and see how it increases your will power and strenght and gives a beautiful color to the voice but dont go for too long as the energy buildup if not transmuted is very powerful and dangerous. Balance is key: not too often and not too scarcely.
In more "modern" terms it may be the loss of zinc or other element and the relationship in that case with A detoxification is quite evident.
Interesting topic in any case.
I certainly wouldn't go wasting zinc on porn, LOL.
Gosh I'm so tired as someone said eat and sleep haha
Abstinence may be useful as a short-term boost to energy and motivation but in the long run I don't believe it is beneficial. The most virile and masculine men are generally those who ejaculate the most. People who abstain long term, ie monks, generally have low energy and testosterone levels.
The amount of zinc in a normal persons ejaculate is minuscule - less than 5% of the RDI, and with very frequent ejaculations the amount lost likely goes down substantially, I don't really see anyone becoming zinc deficient from ejaculating, unless one was seriously malnourished in which case the urge to jack off wouldn't be there anyway.
I think the bioenergetic perspective on orgasm developed by Wilhelm Reich and Alexander Lowen is more likely correct - ie optimal bodily and mental health relies on having a strong and unimpeded flow of sexual energy - this flow is primed by regular charge and discharge (orgasm) of sexual energy. According to their perspective the problem is not with having too many orgasms but rather with having dissatisfying and incomplete orgasms which does not fully discharge the built up energy. The incomplete discharge leads to smaller oscillations between the highs and lows of sexual energy and thus impeded flow. According to my experience the most vibrantly healthy people are those who have the best sex and the best orgasms. Orgasm and ejaculation is not to be shunned just because it produces a temporary low - for this low is necessary in order to feel the high as well. This is why abstinence works in the short term but benefits diminish the longer you do it.
Anyway that is my take on it, I did nofap for the first time almost 10 years ago and have occasionally gone back to it since then, but every time I've realized I get less and less out of it.
@lil-chick Of course you may post and thanks for sharing your thoughts!
In my opinion abstinence when not procreating is a very natural thing and there is no danger in it long term. In my opinion the energetic aspect is self managed by the body and wet dreams are a normal occurrence once in a while. "Experts" in this area tend to be even worse than diet "experts". The ancients did go to extreme lengths to utilize Qi for spiritual development however the average person does not need to worry about these techniques and ideas.
Thanks for your thoughts, you have clearly researched some interesting topics.
Why do you think the RDA is significantly higher for men? 5% of the RDA (DRI/RDI/too many different acronyms) is about right but we only absorb about 25% of what we consume and that is assuming that we even meet the RDA each day. It's likely that many here have lower than optimal zinc status so losing about 20% (or more) of what we absorb each day with a single ejaculation is not an insignificant loss.
I don't personally know many monks but I do know that in the past vegetarian diets and consumption of soy were popular with monks in Asia. These would likely have had a detrimental effect on their masculinity. I think you'll find that virility leads to more sex rather then more sex leading to virility.
Thanks for your comments, especially your thoughts on the bioenergetic aspect.
I had a few more thoughts I wanted to share. I think my post before talked about how no one needs charts and graphs to realize that at 60 they might be having less orgasms than at 18. They might need some self awareness and acceptance though.
I think the same probably can be said about going low VA. I think it will be intuitive to the man.
I also wanted to put forward the idea that you might actually use up some A in a good session of lovemaking.
Happiness is probably the most important thing we all need to get. You can have a lot wrong with your lifestyle but if you are happy it strengthens you. The logical mind calls these "feel good hormones" and they fit like keys in the locks of your immune system.
Many of us ended up high VA because of heroic ideas about health diets, regimens of supplements and etc. Maybe that's one of the things we have to change about ourselves to be better off.
A question related to this topic. We know that women eliminate some of their vit A stores through their breast milk.
Do men eliminate some vit-A through semen??