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Grant's 2022 update
Hi everyone --
Grant has recently posted his annual update. https://ggenereux.blog/2022/08/11/eight-year-update/
I want to find out more about this item that he wrote in his update: " There are quite a few people on muscle meat only carnivore diets (very-low vA) diets who are at or beyond the ten-year point and are in excellent health."
My question is, does this show that it is the vA that is the problem, rather than deaminization of protein for gluconeogenesis, in kidney disease?
Thanks for pointing it out. I've noticed it. It's very encouraging. It reads like an anti-aging diet. Stronger, better eyesight, and more zest for life. If only people knew about the secret. Getting older actually could mean getting healthier. Totally against the mainstream.
Quote from kathy55wood on August 12, 2022, 7:01 amMy question is, does this show that it is the vA that is the problem, rather than deaminization of protein for gluconeogenesis, in kidney disease?
From what I understand, the idea that high protein diets cause kidney issues is a myth, but I have never really looked into it myself. I just heard that "a high protein diet should not be an issue for the kidneys" through various videos in the carnivore community. However, I am not sure how that statement applies to someone who already has kidney disease.
Grant had kidney issues before he started his low vitamin A diet and did not need to restrict protein intake to resolve the issue. He talks a little about it in this blog post.
Been having an interesting chat in Garrett Smiths network about the reason Grant is now so sensitive to anything apart from his meat/rice /beans combo. This is not a good thing imo. It’s certainly not the way I want to be.
After chatting to Andrew Baird about a number of different theories the one we could both agree on was a possible lack of microbiome diversity. This is one result of a limited diet. I don’t know if this has happened to Grant but if it has I don’t think that’s a good thing from my reading. I know why Grant has done this diet - to prove a point - and I have much respect for him. It does not mean that it’s the ideal way to reduce vitamin A in the body, if the microbiome diversity gets diminished in the process.
(This is just my thoughts and a possible theory. Please no aggressive carnivore answers please, my nerves won’t take it, any polite discussion is of course welcome)
I had a gut microbiome test done after two years eating meat only and my diversity was fine. I believe it was in the 90% range. The company sent me feedback that I must have been eating a proper diverse diet, nope. It would be interesting to check now after five years meat only. I don't know much about these tests and not sure they can determine too much about my health though.
Hi @jaj, I'm not saying it couldn't be biome, but it doesn't suit my intuition, like I'm not jumping at it as an idea.
Perhaps it is something like... Let's say you ate some toxic mushrooms and certain of your organs started to shut down, and you almost died. Well, I think that even 8 years later if your body got the idea that you (derp!) ate another one of those poisonous mushrooms... It might freak the hell out? An overreaction but how can you blame it?
I also think that what is in onions (which is mentioned in this latest installment) isn't actually VA, but another of the various plant poisons that can sometimes be harnessed in herbology (for instance, I've posted here about the medicinal usage of onions for eyes) but that *could* be a double edged sword. All medicines are actually double edged swords, if you think about it. Because to have any power to heal, they have to be able to do harsh things, for instance, kill germs or whatever.
It could be that in cases in which the person was really and truly sick, as in not just chronic malaise but one foot in the grave... you might see these sorts of overreactions. I bet that Mikhaila Peterson might be in that sort of category. It seems like she can't step a toe into the plant world.
I do think that Grant concentrates on VA, and it is huge, but he is also benefiting from not being accosted by lots of other plant poisons. The carbs he eats are low-toxin, sort of well behaved (I've heard it called).
Quote from Jenny on August 13, 2022, 2:16 amBeen having an interesting chat in Garrett Smiths network about the reason Grant is now so sensitive to anything apart from his meat/rice /beans combo. This is not a good thing imo. It’s certainly not the way I want to be.
After chatting to Andrew Baird about a number of different theories the one we could both agree on was a possible lack of microbiome diversity. This is one result of a limited diet.
I wonder about the onions episode too. However according to Dr Ayers actually it's the opposite that should happen : "trying to eat a wide variety of foods, which is counterproductive and only permits a few varieties of bacteria to survive"
Quote from grapes on August 14, 2022, 12:35 amQuote from Jenny on August 13, 2022, 2:16 amBeen having an interesting chat in Garrett Smiths network about the reason Grant is now so sensitive to anything apart from his meat/rice /beans combo. This is not a good thing imo. It’s certainly not the way I want to be.
After chatting to Andrew Baird about a number of different theories the one we could both agree on was a possible lack of microbiome diversity. This is one result of a limited diet.
I wonder about the onions episode too. However according to Dr Ayers actually it's the opposite that should happen : "trying to eat a wide variety of foods, which is counterproductive and only permits a few varieties of bacteria to survive"
When you think about the diversity of foods animals eat, they are rather specific. If we (all living beings) could all eat anything in our way there wouldn't be an ecological community in thriving balanced ecosystems. It makes complete sense that autotrophs have poisons (even slow action) in order to avoid extinction by heterotrophs. Toxins might help heterotrophs by not allowing them to extinguish autotrophs, at the expense of their health, thus, capacity to eat autotrophs.
Also autotrophs that are too toxic need a specialized heterotroph, Koalas and Eucalyptus have special enzymes that allow them to not get sick from eating them. Eucalyptus are so toxic they dew off toxins that kill other plants. Mexico has feral eucalyptus in eucalyptus deserts, you find little animals and any other plants there.
Plant domestication seems to have dissolved to smaller doses the toxins within fruits and plants, making them more edible; then pesticides where needed because these plants became easy pray to bugs.
Coffee seems to be something of an extreme luxury. Think about how many seeds you need for a cup, and the processing needed. How could that ever happen in a healthy ecological community?