Quote from lil chick on July 28, 2020, 7:18 am

@romaine, my best advice is to relactate.    I've even heard of adoptive mothers partially lactating.

There are systems where the mother can both supply forumla and suckling at the same time in order to stimulate the breast. 

The Weston Price foundation has published several recipes for baby formula and many have been extensively used.   The website is https://www.westonaprice.org/     I'm thinking that some are based on liver, some on raw milk and I've heard tell of a meat one.  There are support groups, I think, if you look around.

Of course, these will all be very high in VA, as the WAPF believes in high VA.  I'm thinking they might add cod liver oil to them.

I was thinking about that the other day.  That this is a world filled with VA so VA is in all milks, and so it has been put in all formulas.  However, does it need to be there?  It's a good question and I don't know the answer.  I suppose the answer will come down to "do we need VA"?

I might try to work out a goat milk one, if I needed to feed a baby who couldn't get breast milk. 

 

Quote from lil chick on July 28, 2020, 7:59 am

I would find a WAPF formula recipe, put it into a food calculator, and make the necessary changes to keep it within the RDA of VA.

People try the various ones until they find one that doesn't upset the child's digestion.

I think then you will have a product that is "down the middle of the fairway".  AND the VA that is in it will be natural VA (just in case there really IS a difference)

Personally, I don't think I would use the FERMENTED cod liver oil, or any cod liver oil, unless really necessary. 

I think in the olden days, goat milk was used on babies after a certain age.  Sounds like the baby in question is still too young for that, but it won't be long.

Quote from romaine on July 28, 2020, 8:02 am

I don't think the mom is willing to try to breastfeed again.    The baby which my grand daughter, has cat allergies and I have a few cats but want the baby to visit my house for extended periods if possible.  I don't want to go into details but it is very important that we find a way to deal with the allergies and the best thing would be to get rid of them.  I've known of the healthy economist's recipe for a few years but hers has cod liver oil and whey from raw milk which I don't have access to.   I guess I'll try to just leave out the clo and do the best with the whey.   She also has nutritional yeast and gelatin in the recipe which seems like they could be problematic.   Smith says goat milk has more vitamin A than cows, so IDK and I don't have access to it anyway.    

Quote from lil chick on July 28, 2020, 8:14 am

You can search for a farmer here.  http://www.realmilk.com    (The wapf really should be commended for this)   Driving an hour a week back and forth for milk isn't really the bad thing it seems to be.  I did it for my kid when he couldn't tolerate milk.  Skimming isn't that hard either, if a person wants skim, but I'd only do that for adults.

Goat milk has more of the carotenes turned into retinol.   Once that math is done, and you add in the fact that probably VA amounts are variable, I think the difference is in the noise.   Skim goat is harder to find because it is naturally homogenized.  A spinner is needed, but my goat farmer has one. 

However, I would use WHOLE milk for a baby.

I wouldn't get rid of my cats, I'd just lock them up in the cellar or my bedroom during visits.  You won't be able to de-cat your house quickly.  Cat hair and dander permeate my house and my things.   I don't even think moving would de-cat my life.  🙂

Quote from lil chick on July 28, 2020, 8:23 am

A non-allergic room can be created in a house.  I've seen one in use.  I'm not sure it is that great an idea for long term, but maybe for short term. 

All soft things taken out and replaced with new, a separate air conditioner added.  The whole thing cleaned out and wiped down.

The child could sleep in that room.

Quote from romaine on July 28, 2020, 8:35 am

Yeah - we were planning on something like that.  We also have an RV that could work for that since the cats don't go in it.   Still don't want to use a commercial formula - they have palminate and palminate A in it plus other nasties.

I'm also thinking of using non fat powdered milk that has no added A in it and upping either sunflower oil and/or coconut oil.   Anyone have thoughts on that?

Quote from lil chick on July 28, 2020, 9:26 am

I think you can find a community (or several) very similar to this one filled with people who are using various alternatives to bought formula.  If you poke around a bit!  Probably some are listed on the WAPF  site.

Quote from romaine on July 28, 2020, 11:17 am

Yes, I could go to other websites but they won't be aware or concerned with the vitamin A problem and all the things that can accerbated it.   I'm thinking a root cause of the baby's allergies is vitamin A toxicity.

Quote from lil chick on July 28, 2020, 4:35 pm

Here is another recipe which doesn't seem to have liver, at least.
https://www.breastfeedingplace.com/homemade-infant-formula-weston-price-foundation-recipe/

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Ingredients:

• 2 cups whole raw grass-fed cow’s milk
• 1/4 cup homemade liquid whey made from yoghurt, kefir or separated raw milk
• 4 tablespoons lactose
• 1/4 teaspoon bifidobacterium infantis (find it here)
• 2 or more tablespoons good quality cream
• 1/2 teaspoon high-vitamin fermented cod liver oil
• 1/4 teaspoon high-vitamin butter oil (optional)
• 1 teaspoon expeller-expressed sunflower oil
• 1 teaspoon extra virgin olive oil
• 2 teaspoons coconut oil
• 2 teaspoons Frontier brand nutritional yeast flakes
• 2 teaspoons Great Lakes gelatin (find it here)
• 1-7/8 cups filtered water
• 1/4 teaspoon acerola powder

Now, the only really bad thing I can see is the cod liver oil.  Let me see if I can find a wapf person to ask if it is there for any reason except the VA.    I've got a few connections.