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Male Pattern Baldness
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tim on March 14, 2019, 9:00 pm
I suffer from MPB and recently read that it is associated with heart disease. I sat there thinking that I would actually prefer heart disease in later life than being balding now!
I suspect that MPB would be found to be positively correlated with hepatic retinol levels. If anyone has any info on its relationship to VA please share. I have been checking in on natural hairloss forums for years and while there are many bright minds working on the issue they obviously haven't cracked it yet, not even close. The only mention I saw of VA was of people using it so sub clinical widespread VA toxicity could be a major factor still undiscovered.
From reading about VA toxicity over the last month I have been wondering how RA interacts with DHT and 5 alpha reductase, blood supply to the follicle, calcification and zinc status (which inhibits 5 alpha reductase). It seems that VA toxicity likely also raises cortisol levels given that VA toxicity is associated with negative psychological symptoms.
I found this:
Vitamin A Increases DHT By Enhancing 5-alpha Reductase
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/vitamin-a-increases-dht-by-enhancing-5-alpha-reductase.6127/
but it seems that else where RA is known as a DHT inhibitor?
I suffer from MPB and recently read that it is associated with heart disease. I sat there thinking that I would actually prefer heart disease in later life than being balding now!
I suspect that MPB would be found to be positively correlated with hepatic retinol levels. If anyone has any info on its relationship to VA please share. I have been checking in on natural hairloss forums for years and while there are many bright minds working on the issue they obviously haven't cracked it yet, not even close. The only mention I saw of VA was of people using it so sub clinical widespread VA toxicity could be a major factor still undiscovered.
From reading about VA toxicity over the last month I have been wondering how RA interacts with DHT and 5 alpha reductase, blood supply to the follicle, calcification and zinc status (which inhibits 5 alpha reductase). It seems that VA toxicity likely also raises cortisol levels given that VA toxicity is associated with negative psychological symptoms.
I found this:
Vitamin A Increases DHT By Enhancing 5-alpha Reductase
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/vitamin-a-increases-dht-by-enhancing-5-alpha-reductase.6127/
but it seems that else where RA is known as a DHT inhibitor?
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Quote from Guest on March 15, 2019, 11:25 am
I think MPB is a lot more complicated than DHT. DHT is a good thing, nothing will make you feel as good as having high DHT levels as a man. Most balding men do not strike me as being the typical high testosterone man either. I have balded some, and now some hair has come back, I think VA is bad for hair growth, and it seems to absolutely tank my testosterone levels if I eat it.
I think MPB is a lot more complicated than DHT. DHT is a good thing, nothing will make you feel as good as having high DHT levels as a man. Most balding men do not strike me as being the typical high testosterone man either. I have balded some, and now some hair has come back, I think VA is bad for hair growth, and it seems to absolutely tank my testosterone levels if I eat it.
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John on March 15, 2019, 11:24 pm
It makes sense to me, since I started balding in high school. My diet growing up were mostly fruits growing around my downtown neighborhood. Half the time they were not ripened, I learned to be friends with the sourness. Don't know if unripened fruit has more VA. I was not healthy as a kid and throughout my life. And now worse since I've been eating sweet potatos like a madman for the past 12 months. I pray that I can find answers here to reverse the effects and get better.
It makes sense to me, since I started balding in high school. My diet growing up were mostly fruits growing around my downtown neighborhood. Half the time they were not ripened, I learned to be friends with the sourness. Don't know if unripened fruit has more VA. I was not healthy as a kid and throughout my life. And now worse since I've been eating sweet potatos like a madman for the past 12 months. I pray that I can find answers here to reverse the effects and get better.
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grapes on March 16, 2019, 2:44 am
I started losing hair at 21, after an isotretinoin (accutane) "treatment". Maybe it's not the same kind of hairloss as MPB, it looks the same today though.
I started losing hair at 21, after an isotretinoin (accutane) "treatment". Maybe it's not the same kind of hairloss as MPB, it looks the same today though.
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Carbon on March 16, 2019, 7:34 am
I visited the US for the first time in 1992. I noticed that much more men were bald compared to the NL Possibly it's because lot of food in the US is enriched with VA. Chlorine & fluorine in drinking water might play a role also. However, the most likely cause is the abundance of PUFAs in the American diet. PUFAs are known to inhibit thyroid and making hypothyroidism worse. The combination of VA & PUFA might be particularly bad. Nowadays I notice that more men in NL are getting bald but not yet as many as in US. In NL there is no chlorine of fluorine in the drinking water but the consumption of PUFA has increased a lot. Also people tend to eat much "healthier" with lot of fruit & vegetables containing carotenoids.
I visited the US for the first time in 1992. I noticed that much more men were bald compared to the NL Possibly it's because lot of food in the US is enriched with VA. Chlorine & fluorine in drinking water might play a role also. However, the most likely cause is the abundance of PUFAs in the American diet. PUFAs are known to inhibit thyroid and making hypothyroidism worse. The combination of VA & PUFA might be particularly bad. Nowadays I notice that more men in NL are getting bald but not yet as many as in US. In NL there is no chlorine of fluorine in the drinking water but the consumption of PUFA has increased a lot. Also people tend to eat much "healthier" with lot of fruit & vegetables containing carotenoids.
Quote from Guest on March 16, 2019, 11:59 am
Carbon,
I went to kerala in India for a month recently. Pufa oils are used in ayruvedic and ingested in their pure form. They eat nuts regularly as it is known to increase skin and hair health
Men their had the thickest heads of hair I have seen.
I assure you its not the pufa are any other ray peat non sense
Carbon,
I went to kerala in India for a month recently. Pufa oils are used in ayruvedic and ingested in their pure form. They eat nuts regularly as it is known to increase skin and hair health
Men their had the thickest heads of hair I have seen.
I assure you its not the pufa are any other ray peat non sense
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Carbon on March 16, 2019, 1:30 pm
My own experience is that when I eat a lot of PUFA my joints get inflammed and swollen. I do believe there is also link with excess of VA, the two combined makes it even worse. I really need to limit my intake of both.
Regarding the people in India I don't know. They have much different diet than in US or NL. I read that oil in tropical areas contains a higher percentage of saturated fats and coconut oil (more a fat) is almost 100% saturated. PUFA consumption in western countries more then tripled compared to 70 years ago. Would be interesting to have PUFA stats from India & China to compare.
My own experience is that when I eat a lot of PUFA my joints get inflammed and swollen. I do believe there is also link with excess of VA, the two combined makes it even worse. I really need to limit my intake of both.
Regarding the people in India I don't know. They have much different diet than in US or NL. I read that oil in tropical areas contains a higher percentage of saturated fats and coconut oil (more a fat) is almost 100% saturated. PUFA consumption in western countries more then tripled compared to 70 years ago. Would be interesting to have PUFA stats from India & China to compare.
Quote from Guest on March 16, 2019, 1:37 pm
It's a bit more complicated than that. US is mostly rancid oils and trans fat in cooking and processed oil again with rancid vegetable oils before that might be damaging. In India they consume a lot of omega 6 non processed foods and in ayruvedic ingest and apply pure non rancid oils. You are right about coconut oil consumption and usage in cooking being high there as well.
I was shocked how good their hair was.
It's a bit more complicated than that. US is mostly rancid oils and trans fat in cooking and processed oil again with rancid vegetable oils before that might be damaging. In India they consume a lot of omega 6 non processed foods and in ayruvedic ingest and apply pure non rancid oils. You are right about coconut oil consumption and usage in cooking being high there as well.
I was shocked how good their hair was.
Quote from Guest on March 16, 2019, 1:39 pm
How is all that Danny Roddy stuff going for preventing hair loss
I am assuming nowhere just as most of ray peat philosophical writings they have zero real world application
How is all that Danny Roddy stuff going for preventing hair loss
I am assuming nowhere just as most of ray peat philosophical writings they have zero real world application
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