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My detox symptoms
Since oct 2021 I started low/no vitamin a diet ...I started feeling better for 1,2 month but after that I think I am in zombie mode..lots of brain fog,very poor memory which is inhibiting my learnings in the class- I don't even know what topic today descuss about ,I have to think before talking (slurred speech) now I am using simple words for conversation, weird acne ,again hair loss,blurred vision , digestive issues (gas, sometimes constipation,gastroparesis,acid reflux)
& The most important anxiety & depression 🥺 believe me it's really hard..
Sometimes I get clear face sometimes very dull face with acne don't know what is happening in body but detox is hard just like toxicity...do anyone have same symptoms plz share your journey
I did not experience that intense of symptoms throughout my journey, so I cannot comment much on that; everyone is different. By chance, have you changed anything in your diet or lifestyle recently that could be causing the increase in symptoms? Have you gotten any blood or hair tests recently to determine your mineral levels? You may be low in certain things (zinc, molybdenum, selenium, etc.) now that you are detoxing more aggressively.
I can't give very specific advice, but I would suggest that you slow down the detox by reducing things that appear to trigger bile dumps and the release of vA. I see no benefit to trying to push through such intense detox symptoms...getting rid of things will not speed up and you will only suffer unnecessarily. If you have not tested your mineral levels, I could also suggest that, but it costs $$ and if you do not know what to do with the results, it would be a waste of time and money.
Just throwing some ideas out there.
In your original post on this forum, you said you were only eating Tilapia, Rice, and Coconut Oil.
I highly doubt you are getting enough of the right nutrients from that combination of food. For example, Tilapia is very low in zinc, which seems to get used up quickly in detox. I'm not sure if you're eating white rice or brown rice and how you're preparing it, but neither of them has a very good profile of bioavailable nutrients (basically just pure energy with a bit of fiber). All rice contains some level of arsenic, brown rice more than white, and eating a lot of that longterm while trying to detox other things could be a problem. Coconut oil is basically devoid of micronutrients as well, it's just energy, plus it is fairly high in salicylates, a number of antibacterial compounds, and it may contain an undesirable form of sulfur depending on how it was produced - all of those put some burden on the liver. Coconut oil can be hard on the digestive tract if eaten in large quantities, especially if you don't eat it with other food.
I would suggest focusing on eating red meat from ruminants if you can (beef, lamb, bison, venison, etc.). Rabbits and chicken have a good amount of zinc as well if those are easier for you to buy/source, although chickens tend to have some undesirable qualities like higher levels of PUFAs/Omega 6 if they're feed primarily grain. Pork should also be OK, although like chicken it tends to have undesirable qualities because of the food it is usually produced from. Fish in general have much less zinc than terrestrial animals.
I would also recommend getting your energy from animal fat, again preferably from ruminants. Plenty of people here would advise against that though...you should look into it yourself to make your own decision. Animal fat (as well as coconut oil, I think) appears to speed up Vitamin A dumping and cause worsening detox symptoms for me, so just be aware that shifting from carbohydrates to more fat intake is likely to make you feel worse while you are detoxing.
Many try to deplete vitamin A by eating a diet very low in it which often means a very restrictive diet. The effect this often has is reducing nutritional support for dealing with vitamin A. A balanced diet while minimizing vA will probably give the least problems. Having said that I experienced many symptoms at the start, I felt sleepy for a whole month after I started low vA.
Beta glucan is the best fiber for preventing vitamin A from being reabsorbed in the gut. Oats and mushrooms are the best source. Oats are also very high in thiamin. Oat porridge or granola with either unfortified almond milk (my choice) or low fat unfortified milk is a low vA breakfast. Mushrooms can be added to dinner meals. For example a small stir fry with mushroom and veges that aren't high vA.
The only foods that need to be completely avoided are: all dairy products except low fat milk and yoghurt, liver products and vegetables and fruits high in beta carotene like carrots and spinach. There's no benefit or need to eat a highly restrictive diet. Foods that contain low-medium amounts of vA like oranges, celery, spring onion etc just need to be consumed in moderation. Two eggs per week will not interfere with vA depletion and will probably help since eggs are such a good source of biotin and other nutrients. If a diet contains about 100 mcg RAE of vitamin A it'll still lead to lower vitamin A levels over time especially when combined with sunbathing.
@tim-2 I totally agree with you.
Andrew Baird has been doing an experiment eating more eggs. They are a very good source of choline which has been shown in research to reduce chance of NAFLD.
Andrew was 2 years 7 months in before he added more eggs, however, he ate 1-2 a day throughout his successful detox.
Anyone got digestive distress during vitamin a toxicity/detox?if yes what was that?
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on August 5, 2022, 11:32 amIn your original post on this forum, you said you were only eating Tilapia, Rice, and Coconut Oil.
I highly doubt you are getting enough of the right nutrients from that combination of food. For example, Tilapia is very low in zinc, which seems to get used up quickly in detox. I'm not sure if you're eating white rice or brown rice and how you're preparing it, but neither of them has a very good profile of bioavailable nutrients (basically just pure energy with a bit of fiber). All rice contains some level of arsenic, brown rice more than white, and eating a lot of that longterm while trying to detox other things could be a problem. Coconut oil is basically devoid of micronutrients as well, it's just energy, plus it is fairly high in salicylates, a number of antibacterial compounds, and it may contain an undesirable form of sulfur depending on how it was produced - all of those put some burden on the liver. Coconut oil can be hard on the digestive tract if eaten in large quantities, especially if you don't eat it with other food.
I would suggest focusing on eating red meat from ruminants if you can (beef, lamb, bison, venison, etc.). Rabbits and chicken have a good amount of zinc as well if those are easier for you to buy/source, although chickens tend to have some undesirable qualities like higher levels of PUFAs/Omega 6 if they're feed primarily grain. Pork should also be OK, although like chicken it tends to have undesirable qualities because of the food it is usually produced from. Fish in general have much less zinc than terrestrial animals.
I would also recommend getting your energy from animal fat, again preferably from ruminants. Plenty of people here would advise against that though...you should look into it yourself to make your own decision. Animal fat (as well as coconut oil, I think) appears to speed up Vitamin A dumping and cause worsening detox symptoms for me, so just be aware that shifting from carbohydrates to more fat intake is likely to make you feel worse while you are detoxing.
Yes I think I need to increase some nutrients
Quote from tim on August 5, 2022, 4:50 pmMany try to deplete vitamin A by eating a diet very low in it which often means a very restrictive diet. The effect this often has is reducing nutritional support for dealing with vitamin A. A balanced diet while minimizing vA will probably give the least problems. Having said that I experienced many symptoms at the start, I felt sleepy for a whole month after I started low vA.
Beta glucan is the best fiber for preventing vitamin A from being reabsorbed in the gut. Oats and mushrooms are the best source. Oats are also very high in thiamin. Oat porridge or granola with either unfortified almond milk (my choice) or low fat unfortified milk is a low vA breakfast. Mushrooms can be added to dinner meals. For example a small stir fry with mushroom and veges that aren't high vA.
The only foods that need to be completely avoided are: all dairy products except low fat milk and yoghurt, liver products and vegetables and fruits high in beta carotene like carrots and spinach. There's no benefit or need to eat a highly restrictive diet. Foods that contain low-medium amounts of vA like oranges, celery, spring onion etc just need to be consumed in moderation. Two eggs per week will not interfere with vA depletion and will probably help since eggs are such a good source of biotin and other nutrients. If a diet contains about 100 mcg RAE of vitamin A it'll still lead to lower vitamin A levels over time especially when combined with sunbathing.
Can I get fish oil for good skinn on vitiamin a detox diet?
Quote from Hrishikesh on August 7, 2022, 2:06 am
Can I get fish oil for good skinn on vitiamin a detox diet?
I would personally avoid fish oil supplements; you do not need fish oil to have good skin. Most fish oil supplements on the market are highly oxidized and will do more damage than good (if any good at all).
Yeah, like @mmb3664 said, stay AWAY from the fish oil supplements due to oxidation and excess PUFAs. Eat freshly caught fish if you think you need more of what they have. Any organic substance that has been extracted and isolated from its original form is prone to oxidation, and the longer it's in storage, the more oxidation occurs. Those most prone to oxidation include the PUFAs from fish and seed oils, and to a slightly lesser extent the monounsaturated fats from fruit like olives and avocados. The most stable fats are those from ruminant animals and maybe coconut oil.
I've had tons of GI problems during my Vitamin A "cleanse". The worst has been diarrhea, which often burned and came with terrible abdominal cramping. The worst diarrhea usually had either bold orange or bright yellow coloration. I'm still not sure if it was due to Vitamin A itself aggravating the colon, or a combination of Vitamin A and bile acids that were getting flushed into the colon, but considering that I was eating a high fat diet without the same problem before I removed Vitamin A, I am leaning towards Vitamin A being the primary aggravant.
I've also had a lot of gas and bloating, along with the motility problems I previously described (inability to pass gas in the middle of the night). I seem to be digesting and absorbing my food just fine. The gas has to be coming from a bacterial source. I've deduced it is partially a nervous system issue due to Vitamin A coming out of storage, causing motility problems that encourage bacterial fermentation of harder-to-digest food, as well as bacterial consumption of intestinal mucus, glucuronides, and maybe components of bile salts (taurine, glycine, and possibly the bile acids themselves).
Fat should be the one thing that DOESN'T cause gas via bacterial fermentation, yet fat consumption seems to cause gas in myself, and I've seen others mention that they get gassier when they increase their fat intake. That's got to either be a result of increased Vitamin A conjugates getting broken down by bacteria, or more bile salts being broken down by bacteria, or more mucus in the intestines being consumed by bacteria.