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Skin and beans
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Beata on August 22, 2021, 5:29 am
I have been eating beans for over a year. However, I have this strange reaction that happens every single time soon after my meals: I can feel small fluid filled cysts under the lightly stretched skin right under my nose and sometimes on the upper cheeks. This goes away after about 1.5 hour only to reappear after the next meal. The cysts are not painful but have been the source of concern. I only get the cysts after I eat beans and never with any other foods.
Does anyone have any idea what the heck is going on?
The photo is of my stretched skin under my nose showing small cysts.
I have been eating beans for over a year. However, I have this strange reaction that happens every single time soon after my meals: I can feel small fluid filled cysts under the lightly stretched skin right under my nose and sometimes on the upper cheeks. This goes away after about 1.5 hour only to reappear after the next meal. The cysts are not painful but have been the source of concern. I only get the cysts after I eat beans and never with any other foods.
Does anyone have any idea what the heck is going on?
The photo is of my stretched skin under my nose showing small cysts.
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Даниил on August 22, 2021, 7:12 am
I will assume that these are oxalates...
"Oxalates may cause or increase inflammation, pain, burning sensations, eye and skin irritation, irritate tissues and mucous membranes, and most importantly contributes to the formation of calcium oxalate kidney stones. It can cause a range of potentially life-threatening symptoms.26"
I am also sure that VA makes people more sensitive to oxalates. But to explain this, I will again have to refer to Ray...
I will assume that these are oxalates...
"Oxalates may cause or increase inflammation, pain, burning sensations, eye and skin irritation, irritate tissues and mucous membranes, and most importantly contributes to the formation of calcium oxalate kidney stones. It can cause a range of potentially life-threatening symptoms.26"
I am also sure that VA makes people more sensitive to oxalates. But to explain this, I will again have to refer to Ray...
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Beata on August 22, 2021, 8:35 am
These bumps are fluid filled, absolutely not painful, and disappear in time. They also appear about 30 min after eating the beans - not enough for the digestion and redistribution of oxalates - don't you think?
If I stop eating the beans, theoretically I would experience oxalate dump - something that I might just to see the difference. I have been eating beans for a long time and a break would do me good…
BTW, I have nothing against Ray Peat.
These bumps are fluid filled, absolutely not painful, and disappear in time. They also appear about 30 min after eating the beans - not enough for the digestion and redistribution of oxalates - don't you think?
If I stop eating the beans, theoretically I would experience oxalate dump - something that I might just to see the difference. I have been eating beans for a long time and a break would do me good…
BTW, I have nothing against Ray Peat.
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Даниил on August 22, 2021, 8:52 am
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Beata on August 22, 2021, 8:35 am
These bumps are fluid filled, absolutely not painful, and disappear in time. They also appear about 30 min after eating the beans - not enough for the digestion and redistribution of oxalates - don't you think?
If I stop eating the beans, theoretically I would experience oxalate dump - something that I might just to see the difference. I have been eating beans for a long time and a break would do me good…
BTW, I have nothing against Ray Peat.
There iswater-soluble oxalates, and they begin to enter the bloodstream immediately after you eat them. I think it is possible to react in 5 minutes.
Ray mentioned that hypothyroidism causes an increase in tissues permeability. VA competes for the thyroid hormone. And if the tissues are overloaded with it, intestine will experience hypothyroidism. The adsorption of oxalates between people differs by 50 times.
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Beata on August 22, 2021, 8:35 am
These bumps are fluid filled, absolutely not painful, and disappear in time. They also appear about 30 min after eating the beans - not enough for the digestion and redistribution of oxalates - don't you think?
If I stop eating the beans, theoretically I would experience oxalate dump - something that I might just to see the difference. I have been eating beans for a long time and a break would do me good…
BTW, I have nothing against Ray Peat.
There iswater-soluble oxalates, and they begin to enter the bloodstream immediately after you eat them. I think it is possible to react in 5 minutes.
Ray mentioned that hypothyroidism causes an increase in tissues permeability. VA competes for the thyroid hormone. And if the tissues are overloaded with it, intestine will experience hypothyroidism. The adsorption of oxalates between people differs by 50 times.
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lil chick on August 22, 2021, 9:24 am
when the bad in you comes out (through the skin in this case) is it something going wrong, or something going
right?
(I get these too, but have never realized a connection to any specific food, good on you Beata!)
when the bad in you comes out (through the skin in this case) is it something going wrong, or something going
right?
(I get these too, but have never realized a connection to any specific food, good on you Beata!)
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It's probably not the same thing, but I occasionally get a tiny clear sack appear on the inside of my mouth, at the back just before the throat. They're maybe 2-3 mm across? Perfectly round bubbles, I only get 1 or 2 at a time. They only appear after starting to eat/drink something, appear almost instantaneously, and then gradually "deflate" over 30-60 minutes until you would never know they were there. They tend to happen in the exact same places repeatedly. When I first got them over a year ago, it seemed to happen only when I drank homemade kefir (long ferment, very potent!). I stopped drinking kefir over a year ago and didn't really get them anymore for a while, and then I got one again recently out of the blue without any change in my diet. I thought it was some kind of response to the acidity of the kefir, but the last one I got came up when I wasn't eating anything particularly acidic, so I'm flummoxed.
It's probably not the same thing, but I occasionally get a tiny clear sack appear on the inside of my mouth, at the back just before the throat. They're maybe 2-3 mm across? Perfectly round bubbles, I only get 1 or 2 at a time. They only appear after starting to eat/drink something, appear almost instantaneously, and then gradually "deflate" over 30-60 minutes until you would never know they were there. They tend to happen in the exact same places repeatedly. When I first got them over a year ago, it seemed to happen only when I drank homemade kefir (long ferment, very potent!). I stopped drinking kefir over a year ago and didn't really get them anymore for a while, and then I got one again recently out of the blue without any change in my diet. I thought it was some kind of response to the acidity of the kefir, but the last one I got came up when I wasn't eating anything particularly acidic, so I'm flummoxed.
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Даниил on August 26, 2021, 6:22 am
BTW, another explanation may be related to the recycling of VA metabolites, as suggest @wavygravygadzooks
BTW, another explanation may be related to the recycling of VA metabolites, as suggest @wavygravygadzooks
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Beata on August 26, 2021, 8:25 am
Thank you all for all the suggestions. I have been thinking about it some more. After each meal I have a cup of hot water with marine collagen. Over a year ago I had some joint pains and got used to taking marine collagen. I stopped it now for several days and on the third day there was no more bumps. So, it looks like it weren’t the beans after all!
My apologies for this. I am amazed how I tricked myself in believing something that was not so. Even though I eat very few ingredients, there was one that causes some troubles.
Thank you all for all the suggestions. I have been thinking about it some more. After each meal I have a cup of hot water with marine collagen. Over a year ago I had some joint pains and got used to taking marine collagen. I stopped it now for several days and on the third day there was no more bumps. So, it looks like it weren’t the beans after all!
My apologies for this. I am amazed how I tricked myself in believing something that was not so. Even though I eat very few ingredients, there was one that causes some troubles.
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Moebius on August 26, 2021, 4:45 pm
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@davidw
Isn't marine collagen made from fish (scales), not seaweed?
Why do you advise people not to eat seaweed?
@davidw
Isn't marine collagen made from fish (scales), not seaweed?
Why do you advise people not to eat seaweed?
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