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Vitamin A and Mtor
Quote from Guest on February 15, 2019, 8:43 am
Mtor. I keep hearing about this. Apparently studies have proven that fasting for days at a time suppresses this mtor function in ones body and reverses aging. And the theory is that our ancestors were always starving to death by accident so we evolved a function that only kicks in when we are starving, and that good health is really only possible by artificially creating a famine (fasting) to deactivate mTor. Maybe this is true, but after years of getting sucked down the rabbit hole of doing all kinds of ridiculous things that go against my body's taste and hunger signals, only to fuck up my health beyond belief (before finding Matt Stone and later Grant), I have doubts about whether science has really figured out the root of the problem or whether its missing something big.
What Im curious about is whether mtor and its supposed benefits of turning it off by starving oneself, actually has something to do with vitamin A. For example, by eating 1/5th the calories for a period of time, one would also be eating 1/5th the vitamin A), and the body would be able to break down cells that are filled with retinoids and detoxify a lot of it?
Any thoughts on this Grant or anyone else knowledgeable about the subject?
https://idmprogram.com/fasting-and-autophagy-mtor-autophagy-1/
Mtor. I keep hearing about this. Apparently studies have proven that fasting for days at a time suppresses this mtor function in ones body and reverses aging. And the theory is that our ancestors were always starving to death by accident so we evolved a function that only kicks in when we are starving, and that good health is really only possible by artificially creating a famine (fasting) to deactivate mTor. Maybe this is true, but after years of getting sucked down the rabbit hole of doing all kinds of ridiculous things that go against my body's taste and hunger signals, only to fuck up my health beyond belief (before finding Matt Stone and later Grant), I have doubts about whether science has really figured out the root of the problem or whether its missing something big.
What Im curious about is whether mtor and its supposed benefits of turning it off by starving oneself, actually has something to do with vitamin A. For example, by eating 1/5th the calories for a period of time, one would also be eating 1/5th the vitamin A), and the body would be able to break down cells that are filled with retinoids and detoxify a lot of it?
Any thoughts on this Grant or anyone else knowledgeable about the subject?
https://idmprogram.com/fasting-and-autophagy-mtor-autophagy-1/
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Orion on February 15, 2019, 9:48 am
I have done some longer water fasts, 3, 7, 14 and 20 days. They did seem to help me, but I now suspect it was vitA depletion that was doing good stuff, amongst the autophagy. Symptoms would return post fasting, since I would refeed with diet high in vitA. This is before trying zero vitamin A, and reading Grant's work.
Planning some more fasting this year, will report on how this affects me, refeeding in a zero vitamin A diet.
I have done some longer water fasts, 3, 7, 14 and 20 days. They did seem to help me, but I now suspect it was vitA depletion that was doing good stuff, amongst the autophagy. Symptoms would return post fasting, since I would refeed with diet high in vitA. This is before trying zero vitamin A, and reading Grant's work.
Planning some more fasting this year, will report on how this affects me, refeeding in a zero vitamin A diet.
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Liz on February 15, 2019, 10:44 pm
A couple days water fasting followed by a couple days very VLC due to no apetite, after extensive surgery, actually did wonders for me regarding symtoms. The last eczema spot that has refused to go away went away and has not returned (been 2 weeks). Cannot positively say it was due to fasting or surgery, as I am sure the latter alone has gotten rid of some A as well. I have had some 16-20 h fasting days since then due to not hungry but once I start eating I have been ravenous eating too much and feeling sick.
I have been thinking of trying a few days of water fast a month but honestly dont know if I can do it unless I lose apetite. I love food and even if too busy to eat, once I relax all I think about is eating and to force myself to stick to water in that stage, i dont know how healthy it is and the last thing i want to do is force my body to cooperate if it doesnt naturally want to. You water fasters, how do you do it?
A couple days water fasting followed by a couple days very VLC due to no apetite, after extensive surgery, actually did wonders for me regarding symtoms. The last eczema spot that has refused to go away went away and has not returned (been 2 weeks). Cannot positively say it was due to fasting or surgery, as I am sure the latter alone has gotten rid of some A as well. I have had some 16-20 h fasting days since then due to not hungry but once I start eating I have been ravenous eating too much and feeling sick.
I have been thinking of trying a few days of water fast a month but honestly dont know if I can do it unless I lose apetite. I love food and even if too busy to eat, once I relax all I think about is eating and to force myself to stick to water in that stage, i dont know how healthy it is and the last thing i want to do is force my body to cooperate if it doesnt naturally want to. You water fasters, how do you do it?
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Diogenes on February 16, 2019, 3:27 am
The longest fast I've done is 27 days. I've also done a handful of shorter fasts of 7 - 10 days. I'm not a fan of skipping breakfast (ie. intermittent fasting) and not a fan of short fasts of 1-3 days.
The benefits of fasting isn't just that it limits the intake of vitamin-a to zero. It is the quickest and best method of healing the body. It is a complete physiological rest which creates the optimal conditions for healing.
The longest fast I've done is 27 days. I've also done a handful of shorter fasts of 7 - 10 days. I'm not a fan of skipping breakfast (ie. intermittent fasting) and not a fan of short fasts of 1-3 days.
The benefits of fasting isn't just that it limits the intake of vitamin-a to zero. It is the quickest and best method of healing the body. It is a complete physiological rest which creates the optimal conditions for healing.
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Quote from Guest on February 16, 2019, 3:32 am
No thanks to fasting. Grant didn't fast for a day
No thanks to fasting. Grant didn't fast for a day
Quote from Guest on February 16, 2019, 5:45 am
This book is a goldmine on fasting https://www.truthseekerz.com/Arnold_Rational_Fasting.pdf
And here is another of his books and well worth looking into https://www.truthseekerz.com/Arnold_Mucusless_Diet.pdf
This book is a goldmine on fasting https://www.truthseekerz.com/Arnold_Rational_Fasting.pdf
And here is another of his books and well worth looking into https://www.truthseekerz.com/Arnold_Mucusless_Diet.pdf
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Bella on February 13, 2024, 10:54 am
I found some interesting connections with vA and mTOR recently. I’m still looking into this topic more.
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/6/1236
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028214020639
I found some interesting connections with vA and mTOR recently. I’m still looking into this topic more.
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/6/1236
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028214020639
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Bella on March 15, 2024, 4:03 pm
Grant, if you (or any other science minded folks here) get a chance to peek at the articles I linked above and would be willing to give me your thoughts I’d greatly appreciate it. It seems plausible to me that high mTOR could impact vitamin A toxicity by making it worse. The impression I get is that they work in tandem.
Grant, if you (or any other science minded folks here) get a chance to peek at the articles I linked above and would be willing to give me your thoughts I’d greatly appreciate it. It seems plausible to me that high mTOR could impact vitamin A toxicity by making it worse. The impression I get is that they work in tandem.
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Bella on March 15, 2024, 4:03 pm
Grant, if you (or any other science minded folks here) get a chance to peek at the articles I linked above and would be willing to give me your thoughts I’d greatly appreciate it. It seems plausible to me that high mTOR could impact vitamin A toxicity by making it worse. The impression I get is that they work in tandem.
Tagging @ggenereux2014 🙂
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Bella on March 15, 2024, 4:03 pm
Grant, if you (or any other science minded folks here) get a chance to peek at the articles I linked above and would be willing to give me your thoughts I’d greatly appreciate it. It seems plausible to me that high mTOR could impact vitamin A toxicity by making it worse. The impression I get is that they work in tandem.
Tagging @ggenereux2014 🙂
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Bella on March 17, 2024, 4:05 am
Thank you ma’am!
Thank you ma’am!
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