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WAPF doubles up on toxic damage in ASD
Quote from Joe2 on September 25, 2025, 11:55 pmhttps://x.com/catsscareme2021/status/1971233297599467568
RFK2 already talked up vA treatment for measles last year. Looks like another round of toxic treatments for ASD are coming up for FDA approval soon. How many years will it take for AMA docs to grok how the duration paradox works?
https://x.com/catsscareme2021/status/1971233297599467568
Jessica Rojas 🇺🇸💪 on X: "We’ve known for decades. In April 2000, Dr. Mary Megson testified before Congress about children regressing into autism right after vaccines- and how natural, simple treatments could help. Instead of listening, they buried it. Instead of helping, they pushed more shots & https://t.co/W6JTel3MTa" / X
RFK2 already talked up vA treatment for measles last year. Looks like another round of toxic treatments for ASD are coming up for FDA approval soon. How many years will it take for AMA docs to grok how the duration paradox works?
Quote from lil chick on September 26, 2025, 5:34 amWow, she seems so stressed. Â Â I would be too, I guess. Â Â But she seems very hyped up, gosh. Â I wonder if she is heading for a crash.
I wouldn't be surprised if she is falling into vitamin A overload herself.
The WAPF ideas are great, until that vitamin A thing catches up with you.
Still and all I'm curious about the medicine  protocol she is using on autistic kids.   (not the cod liver oil, but the other thing)
Wow, she seems so stressed. Â Â I would be too, I guess. Â Â But she seems very hyped up, gosh. Â I wonder if she is heading for a crash.
I wouldn't be surprised if she is falling into vitamin A overload herself.
The WAPF ideas are great, until that vitamin A thing catches up with you.
Still and all I'm curious about the medicine  protocol she is using on autistic kids.   (not the cod liver oil, but the other thing)
Quote from Hermes on September 26, 2025, 10:55 am@lil-chick
She's speaking in front of Congress. It's only natural to be nervous if you're not accustomed to such speaking opportunities. She seems more angry than hyped. She's presenting clear evidence that her interventions help children injured by vaccines. And no one seems to listen. If I actually believed in public health, I'd be angry, too. But I'm so jaded, I actually believe the poisoning of kids happens on purpose.
It's not news to us that activating the parasympathetic nervous system is crucial for good health. She just got the vitamin A part wrong. As is well known, it's not as straightforward for many to simply reduce it. Many cofactors are required to detoxify vitamin A, and these cofactors are missing from the prison diet. I think eggs are an important piece of the puzzle. So are B12 shots combined with adequate folic acid supplementation.
A good gauge of how well you receive Grant's prison diet is functionality. If your functionality is low to begin with, you're likely not going to have much success with the prison diet. Joseph seems pretty functional, and within months of starting the prison diet, he began raving about his progress. This is very rare. Anyway, I digress from the post.
She's speaking in front of Congress. It's only natural to be nervous if you're not accustomed to such speaking opportunities. She seems more angry than hyped. She's presenting clear evidence that her interventions help children injured by vaccines. And no one seems to listen. If I actually believed in public health, I'd be angry, too. But I'm so jaded, I actually believe the poisoning of kids happens on purpose.
It's not news to us that activating the parasympathetic nervous system is crucial for good health. She just got the vitamin A part wrong. As is well known, it's not as straightforward for many to simply reduce it. Many cofactors are required to detoxify vitamin A, and these cofactors are missing from the prison diet. I think eggs are an important piece of the puzzle. So are B12 shots combined with adequate folic acid supplementation.
A good gauge of how well you receive Grant's prison diet is functionality. If your functionality is low to begin with, you're likely not going to have much success with the prison diet. Joseph seems pretty functional, and within months of starting the prison diet, he began raving about his progress. This is very rare. Anyway, I digress from the post.
Quote from Joe2 on September 26, 2025, 1:28 pmShe is no where near the first to testify before congress about the obvious intentional malfeasance of the medical / pharma industrial complex. I think accurate is a better descriptor of perspective than jaded. Â
I tried slowing down the detox symptoms my first months after hypervitaminosis A recognition. Small intakes of vA did not help. In the end and still what helps is improving excretion. After improving excretion came improving metabolic nutrients needed to package and process retinoids less violently. Â
Aka - charcoal, soluble fiber and magnesium got my colon running and pulling toxic bile out completely before it could get recycled into secondary and much more toxic bile. The magnesium levels to keep colon flowing were ridiculous and came down readily once flow started. As old toxified bile came out, new bile was made which in turn pulled out more toxins faster. Withing 4 months of starting that process, pain reduced 90% in severity, duration and frequency. Then sleep improved. It became a whole cascade of improvements that built on each other. Â
Along that path I did play with some supplements to address different problems that came up. I started them and got off them as quick as I could. The real test for whether or not a supplement works is not if relief is found after taking it. The real test is whether or not relief is permanent after discontinuing the supplement.
The idea of taking some of the hair of the dog to end a hangover - take more vA to give relief to vA toxicity symptoms - is not new nor insane. It is completely understandable and an option. Having done it for both vA toxicity and for alcohol toxicity, I am happy to say I will not try it for either again. Sooner or later, taking more of the hair of the dog that bit me bites me again. Sooner or later adding "more" to "too much" is "way more too much."
I am betting Grant suffered through a few things while waiting for the prison diet to be "enough." Some things are not sufferable. Either way we all need to find ways to get through those things without taking in more toxins or we are just kicking cans down the road where the cans just get bigger and bigger till they do not kick any further.
She is no where near the first to testify before congress about the obvious intentional malfeasance of the medical / pharma industrial complex. I think accurate is a better descriptor of perspective than jaded. Â
I tried slowing down the detox symptoms my first months after hypervitaminosis A recognition. Small intakes of vA did not help. In the end and still what helps is improving excretion. After improving excretion came improving metabolic nutrients needed to package and process retinoids less violently. Â
Aka - charcoal, soluble fiber and magnesium got my colon running and pulling toxic bile out completely before it could get recycled into secondary and much more toxic bile. The magnesium levels to keep colon flowing were ridiculous and came down readily once flow started. As old toxified bile came out, new bile was made which in turn pulled out more toxins faster. Withing 4 months of starting that process, pain reduced 90% in severity, duration and frequency. Then sleep improved. It became a whole cascade of improvements that built on each other. Â
Along that path I did play with some supplements to address different problems that came up. I started them and got off them as quick as I could. The real test for whether or not a supplement works is not if relief is found after taking it. The real test is whether or not relief is permanent after discontinuing the supplement.
The idea of taking some of the hair of the dog to end a hangover - take more vA to give relief to vA toxicity symptoms - is not new nor insane. It is completely understandable and an option. Having done it for both vA toxicity and for alcohol toxicity, I am happy to say I will not try it for either again. Sooner or later, taking more of the hair of the dog that bit me bites me again. Sooner or later adding "more" to "too much" is "way more too much."
I am betting Grant suffered through a few things while waiting for the prison diet to be "enough." Some things are not sufferable. Either way we all need to find ways to get through those things without taking in more toxins or we are just kicking cans down the road where the cans just get bigger and bigger till they do not kick any further.
Quote from Joseph on September 26, 2025, 5:40 pmIt is paradoxical how vitamin a dosing can stop symptoms. Because it is forcing your body into storage mode. Joe2 wrote about how intox arrests detox. There are so many stories of people getting "retinol deficient" with acne, blurry vision, dry eyes, when they skip the liver for one day. Ray Peat's teeth crumbling in his mouth because he couldn't get to the store to buy more milk in time! Wild and crazy, nutso buttso insane and nuttier than squirrel shit. Are they now going to now treat autistic kids with high dose vitamin a? Why wouldn't they. They already push sweet potatoes on diabetics and butternut squash on cancer patients.Â
@Hermes  - I've calmed down a bit. I've always been a bit of an extremist (you should see my woodpile). I think dropping beer made a big difference for me. My liver has much more room to work when it's not dealing with half a case of beer a night. Still I drink once a week with friends - had to drop the liquor shots because for two weeks running I had horrible hangovers, where I had to lie down for hours to let the headache pass. The second hangover was not just a headache - I also had dry peeling skin on my left arm - something I've never had in my life. I think if you're detoxing retinol, levels in the blood will be high - then if you hijack the dehydronase enzyme needed to break it down so you can deal with liquor - boom, overloaded.
Someone should probably start a thread just on soluble fiber - I think Karen Hurd and Grant Genereux should meet. Their diets need to join forces and have a love child. What percentage of us love their beans, how many use psyllium husk, how many activated charcoal, and etc.Â
And thanks to @Joe2 for introducing me to this Thor Torrens on youtube. The people he has on giving testimonials are well worth the time spent listening.
It is paradoxical how vitamin a dosing can stop symptoms. Because it is forcing your body into storage mode. Joe2 wrote about how intox arrests detox. There are so many stories of people getting "retinol deficient" with acne, blurry vision, dry eyes, when they skip the liver for one day. Ray Peat's teeth crumbling in his mouth because he couldn't get to the store to buy more milk in time! Wild and crazy, nutso buttso insane and nuttier than squirrel shit. Are they now going to now treat autistic kids with high dose vitamin a? Why wouldn't they. They already push sweet potatoes on diabetics and butternut squash on cancer patients.Â
@Hermes  - I've calmed down a bit. I've always been a bit of an extremist (you should see my woodpile). I think dropping beer made a big difference for me. My liver has much more room to work when it's not dealing with half a case of beer a night. Still I drink once a week with friends - had to drop the liquor shots because for two weeks running I had horrible hangovers, where I had to lie down for hours to let the headache pass. The second hangover was not just a headache - I also had dry peeling skin on my left arm - something I've never had in my life. I think if you're detoxing retinol, levels in the blood will be high - then if you hijack the dehydronase enzyme needed to break it down so you can deal with liquor - boom, overloaded.
Someone should probably start a thread just on soluble fiber - I think Karen Hurd and Grant Genereux should meet. Their diets need to join forces and have a love child. What percentage of us love their beans, how many use psyllium husk, how many activated charcoal, and etc.Â
And thanks to @Joe2 for introducing me to this Thor Torrens on youtube. The people he has on giving testimonials are well worth the time spent listening.
Quote from Joe2 on September 26, 2025, 7:48 pmYeh. I am loving how Thor interviews everyone fairly regardless of their view. He lets them have their say. He took a lot of heat from people on both sides of methylene blue debate for advocating one way or the other just by interviewing a methylene blue seller and someone completely opposed. People criticizing Thor had zero clue what Thor thought about methylene blue. They all assumed to know. Â
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bgT3XOoS94
Vitamin A Dangers: Understanding Toxicity & Side Effects
Thor keeps a longer term broader perspective instead of getting lost in weeds believing one tiny piece of metabolic minutiae will save us. Have not seen him do much on twitter or youtube lately. Doubt he groks what has happened in last year on calcium either even as he played a bit with it himself. Â
I kind of thought Grant and Karen had talked. I know they know about each other. Karen said she is unconcerned about vA. May be that she is getting it and everything out fast enough that nothing matters. Considering the stuff she and her family sucked up in that poisoned house and survived so well, it is no surprise she is so devoted to emphasizing excretion. I will keep asking Thor when he will interview Grant, Hope, Will, Karen, Judy Cho,............
Yeh. I am loving how Thor interviews everyone fairly regardless of their view. He lets them have their say. He took a lot of heat from people on both sides of methylene blue debate for advocating one way or the other just by interviewing a methylene blue seller and someone completely opposed. People criticizing Thor had zero clue what Thor thought about methylene blue. They all assumed to know. Â
Vitamin A Dangers: Understanding Toxicity & Side Effects
Thor keeps a longer term broader perspective instead of getting lost in weeds believing one tiny piece of metabolic minutiae will save us. Have not seen him do much on twitter or youtube lately. Doubt he groks what has happened in last year on calcium either even as he played a bit with it himself. Â
I kind of thought Grant and Karen had talked. I know they know about each other. Karen said she is unconcerned about vA. May be that she is getting it and everything out fast enough that nothing matters. Considering the stuff she and her family sucked up in that poisoned house and survived so well, it is no surprise she is so devoted to emphasizing excretion. I will keep asking Thor when he will interview Grant, Hope, Will, Karen, Judy Cho,............
Quote from Janelle525 on September 27, 2025, 11:26 amI'm the Karen Hurd advocate around here. I didn't notice that much benefit from going fairly low vitamin A for yrs (I was still consuming dairy, just minimizing it overall, I was around 200-400 mcg a day) until I focused on soluble fiber and eating less fats overall, as I was huge on dairy fat for many many yrs. I don't eat eggs. Have no desire for them.Â
I'm the Karen Hurd advocate around here. I didn't notice that much benefit from going fairly low vitamin A for yrs (I was still consuming dairy, just minimizing it overall, I was around 200-400 mcg a day) until I focused on soluble fiber and eating less fats overall, as I was huge on dairy fat for many many yrs. I don't eat eggs. Have no desire for them.Â
Quote from Joe2 on September 28, 2025, 12:14 amYou just reminded me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOQfnsmAVE&t=12s
You'll never look at beans the same again after watching this video!
You just reminded me.
You'll never look at beans the same again after watching this video!
Quote from lil chick on September 29, 2025, 4:45 am@janelle525 I'm half way through this video! Â I've been meaning to study the story of Karen Hurd. Â And what a story! Â Thanks for posting it @joe2.
Yes, I guess I'm really going to have to try this, darn it! Â hahaha
@janelle525 I'm half way through this video! Â I've been meaning to study the story of Karen Hurd. Â And what a story! Â Thanks for posting it @joe2.
Yes, I guess I'm really going to have to try this, darn it! Â hahaha
Quote from lil chick on September 29, 2025, 4:47 amIt does seem like the WAPF would be better off to be suggesting the bean protocol for the vax-damaged instead of more CLO. Â Â
@janelle525 how would you handle this experiment for a vax-damaged kid?
You know, I myself may be vax-damaged, as I was probably about 40 when I finally stopped trusting them. Â To me, the lesson was: Â everyone loves the promise of vaxes, but their risk is harsher than we are allowed to know.
It does seem like the WAPF would be better off to be suggesting the bean protocol for the vax-damaged instead of more CLO. Â Â
@janelle525 how would you handle this experiment for a vax-damaged kid?
You know, I myself may be vax-damaged, as I was probably about 40 when I finally stopped trusting them. Â To me, the lesson was: Â everyone loves the promise of vaxes, but their risk is harsher than we are allowed to know.