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What if it wasn't vitamin A ?
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Philippe on May 20, 2024, 1:00 am
Hello everyone,
I often wonder whether the diet really works because we're cutting out vitamin A or because we're removing most of the toxic substances.
I mean in Grant's diet we are removing added sugar, seeds oils, toxic vegetables and many other things...
I may not be aware of this, but have there been any specific vitamin A reintroduction tests ?
Take care everyone
Hello everyone,
I often wonder whether the diet really works because we're cutting out vitamin A or because we're removing most of the toxic substances.
I mean in Grant's diet we are removing added sugar, seeds oils, toxic vegetables and many other things...
I may not be aware of this, but have there been any specific vitamin A reintroduction tests ?
Take care everyone
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I have thought about this since 2018. My opinion on it has shifted many times. I believe carotenoids are toxic, I'm just not as sure sure that 'fresh retinol' is toxic even in small amounts, I think we can consume too much retinol obviously as is the case with liver, but normal amounts in things like milk, an egg, a Tbs of butter I just don't think that it's a problem for most people. Once you overdo it with liver, cod liver oil or even eggs and butter like on a WAPF style diet I think you do need a period of going much lower. I don't seem to have a problem with butter and cream, but carotenoids may be causing auto immune conditions for me. Maybe it's the lutein as well, not sure. Everyone will have to figure out what is the cause in their body because it doesn't appear that science will ever tell us. We have to be our own scientists.
I have thought about this since 2018. My opinion on it has shifted many times. I believe carotenoids are toxic, I'm just not as sure sure that 'fresh retinol' is toxic even in small amounts, I think we can consume too much retinol obviously as is the case with liver, but normal amounts in things like milk, an egg, a Tbs of butter I just don't think that it's a problem for most people. Once you overdo it with liver, cod liver oil or even eggs and butter like on a WAPF style diet I think you do need a period of going much lower. I don't seem to have a problem with butter and cream, but carotenoids may be causing auto immune conditions for me. Maybe it's the lutein as well, not sure. Everyone will have to figure out what is the cause in their body because it doesn't appear that science will ever tell us. We have to be our own scientists.
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Bella on May 21, 2024, 1:36 pm
I’m about to start a 30 day experiment on 5/25 of aiming for 100% of the DV per cronometer. I mentioned it in my log. I’ll not be eating fortified foods or taking supplements and will share in my log any negatives or positives after the experiment is over.
I’m about to start a 30 day experiment on 5/25 of aiming for 100% of the DV per cronometer. I mentioned it in my log. I’ll not be eating fortified foods or taking supplements and will share in my log any negatives or positives after the experiment is over.
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Paola Dziwetzki on X blames copper toxicity for Grant's issues.
https://x.com/thepowerofozone/status/1788483744384286774
Paola Dziwetzki on X blames copper toxicity for Grant's issues.
https://x.com/thepowerofozone/status/1788483744384286774
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grapes on May 22, 2024, 3:59 am
Paola Dziwetzki on X blames copper toxicity for Grant's issues.
https://x.com/thepowerofozone/status/1788483744384286774
That post looks bogus, she says copper and vit A are antagonists, that would mean copper would be helpful to treat vit A toxicity.
Then in the study excerpt rats fed with copper-deficient diet are compared with rats fed copper-deficient diet ..
Paola Dziwetzki on X blames copper toxicity for Grant's issues.
https://x.com/thepowerofozone/status/1788483744384286774
That post looks bogus, she says copper and vit A are antagonists, that would mean copper would be helpful to treat vit A toxicity.
Then in the study excerpt rats fed with copper-deficient diet are compared with rats fed copper-deficient diet ..
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grapes on May 22, 2024, 3:59 am
That post looks bogus, she says copper and vit A are antagonists, that would mean copper would be helpful to treat vit A toxicity.
Then in the study excerpt rats fed with copper-deficient diet are compared with rats fed copper-deficient diet ..
The full text of the abstract clarifies that the study compares rats fed a copper-deficient diet to rats fed adequate copper.
https://europepmc.org/article/med/3679695#similar-articles
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grapes on May 22, 2024, 3:59 am
That post looks bogus, she says copper and vit A are antagonists, that would mean copper would be helpful to treat vit A toxicity.
Then in the study excerpt rats fed with copper-deficient diet are compared with rats fed copper-deficient diet ..
The full text of the abstract clarifies that the study compares rats fed a copper-deficient diet to rats fed adequate copper.
https://europepmc.org/article/med/3679695#similar-articles
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El on May 23, 2024, 12:12 am
Fruits have copper with greater absorption, the copper in the fruit is absorbed 100%, orange, vitamin C increases the absorption of copper more with cheese to eat vitamin A and copper at the same time, most diseases disappear. Diet of only milk, oranges, and cheese is the solution. The problem is not vitamin A, it is copper deficiency and failure in iron metabolism
Fruits have copper with greater absorption, the copper in the fruit is absorbed 100%, orange, vitamin C increases the absorption of copper more with cheese to eat vitamin A and copper at the same time, most diseases disappear. Diet of only milk, oranges, and cheese is the solution. The problem is not vitamin A, it is copper deficiency and failure in iron metabolism
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El on May 23, 2024, 12:20 am
In a continuous environment of extremes, vitamin A and copper are toxic. why with the extres the mineral that is lost the most is copper. Without copper, vitamin A and iron are very toxic and accumulate in the liver and the disease begins.
In a continuous environment of extremes, vitamin A and copper are toxic. why with the extres the mineral that is lost the most is copper. Without copper, vitamin A and iron are very toxic and accumulate in the liver and the disease begins.
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El on May 23, 2024, 12:12 am
Fruits have copper with greater absorption, the copper in the fruit is absorbed 100%, orange, vitamin C increases the absorption of copper more with cheese to eat vitamin A and copper at the same time, most diseases disappear. Diet of only milk, oranges, and cheese is the solution. The problem is not vitamin A, it is copper deficiency and failure in iron metabolism
If milk and orange juice is the pinnacle of healthy food why did Ray Peat die of a stroke?
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El on May 23, 2024, 12:12 am
Fruits have copper with greater absorption, the copper in the fruit is absorbed 100%, orange, vitamin C increases the absorption of copper more with cheese to eat vitamin A and copper at the same time, most diseases disappear. Diet of only milk, oranges, and cheese is the solution. The problem is not vitamin A, it is copper deficiency and failure in iron metabolism
If milk and orange juice is the pinnacle of healthy food why did Ray Peat die of a stroke?
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El on May 23, 2024, 6:59 am
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