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A possible way to speed up the elimination of vitamin A and cure the body.
That way is Fasting.
I let Grant Genereux know about this but he thought that it's essentially no different than a low vitamin A diet.
Now the author I recommend for everyone is Herbert Shelton. He was a proponent and a popularizer of a school of medicine that has now gone extinct. Not only did they recommend different solutions to diseases. But more fundamentally they had a whole different philosophy on what was a disease, what was a cure, what causes disease etc.
Their disagreements with the medical establishment went to first principles.
The best way to familiarize yourself with them is to read Herbert Shelton for yourself. Now ofcourse the books are thick and old. And you can see them making certain mistakes, I don't agree with everything they wrote. But I do agree with their fundamental philosophy.
It is possible for the body to do for itself in a few weeks of fasting what it will require months and even years to accomplish on limited diets. This is an important factor in the institutional care of a patient who has neither the time nor the money, nor the patience to get well by any long drawn-out process of dieting. The fast will also assure less suffering, more profound body changes and more..certainty of success.
If you're interested a good place to start would be http://loveandtruth.net/shelton-fasting.html
I wish I was able to be more persuasive, hopefully you have some questions to steer this conversation to a more persuasive productive place. I'll answer in the comments.
Before I discovered Grant's ebooks, the only thing that helped my health symptoms, was water fasting. Tried 3, 7, 10 and 20 days, and saw great results, but didn't stick as I went back to eating vitamin A on refeed. I might attempt some fasting this summer, as the only negative I have with it, is the constant feeling of being cold due to the lowered metabolism. Fasting in winter months is no fun.
So I would think that adhering to a low vitamin A diet with some short or longer fasts sprinkled in would be helpful. But I do believe one does have to be replete in iodine, zinc, selenium, molybdenum, etc, beforehand. Also supplementing B vitamins and electrolytes(Mg, K, Na, Ca) during the fast.
Hi @diogenes,
Thanks for sharing that information. My initial thoughts on fasting was that it was probably working because it is the ultimate vitamin A elimination diet. I didn’t consider it much more than that because I think we still need some inbound nutritional components to enable the body to heal itself from the damage that has been done. However, that was only my opinion. I am by no means an expert on what’s going to be the fastest and best remedy for us. On the contrary, I think that a simple vitamin A elimination diet is too slow and even too unpredictable. Clearly, we need to find a better way. So, if anyone wants to try fasting, don’t let my opinion get in your way. But, please just share your results.
Somewhat on this topic I’ve recently become more interested in the low carbohydrate diet. Maybe all that rice isn’t such a good idea for us after all? The reason I question it is because people on the pure muscle meat carnivore diet appear to be doing really well. But, I didn’t understand the mechanism of why low carb would help us in the vA toxicity situation.
At this time I can only speculate on it. But, the two aspects of a low carb diet that I am thinking about are:
- Carbs (and especially sugars with fibre) could lead to gut fermentation and that in-turn would generate alcohol and that then puts a higher resource demand on the ADH and ALDH enzymes.
- Low carb diets are reported to increase LDL levels and bile production. Since bile contains a high amount of cholesterol that would probably be a very good thing. I say that because cholesterol, and especially the LDL, contains vA as part of its cargo. Salt is an important factor in the bile + cholesterol equation too.
So, I’m all for finding a faster, safer and more reliable way of getting people out of this mess.
Here’s an interesting recent video discussing the LDL response on a low carb diet.
https://youtu.be/fgLelxrIHL0?t=1733
The presenters makes the very astute point that LDL is actually the “GOOD” cholesterol because it is protective. I couldn’t agree more because it is helping rid the liver of stored vA.
The longest fast I've done is 27 days and I did see great health benefits after and during that fast. However since I had no knowledge of the low VA diet at the time I didn't test for it so have no idea how much VA I depleted during that time.
That means that during the refeed I went back to high Vitamin-A foods too.
My life situation right now is such that I simply cannot do an extended fast due to family and work. But I will as soon as I get the chance.
If anyone is considering fasting they should do it while having the conditions to completely rest. That means not working etc.
And If anyone is considering it then please please read the book http://loveandtruth.net/shelton-fasting.html before you do.
There is a lot of misinformation and newage woo about fasting out there. Plus there are some inherent dangers that you need to know about so that you don't do anything stupid.
I've been rereading my Shelton and I found this passage under the heading "crises during the fast". Talking about what some of his patients have undergone during a fast.
Vomiting: I had one case to vomit almost continuously for six days and nights, although such vomiting usually lasts not more than a day or two. Much mucus and bile are thrown out. It is a cleaning-out process. The aforementioned case developed persistent hiccoughs when the six days of vomiting ceased, and this persisted for seven days before it ceased. The cessation of these two crises was the end of her suffering which had persisted for seven years. Another case, an old lady, vomited four days and nights, but made an excellent recovery. I do not regard vomiting as a danger signal, but as a cleansing process.
Mr. B, who underwent a 31 days fast in my institution in 1932-33, began vomiting on the 23rd day of his fast and vomited day and night for 7 days, or through the 29th day of fasting. Large quantities of mucus and bile were brought up. He was very weak while vomiting, but became strong again as soon as the vomiting ceased. This, however, is the usual experience.
Now I havent been 100% sure how good the body is at eliminating VA during fasting. But this seems like it might be one of bodies ways of getting rid of a large amount of VA in a short period. And perhaps this happens more during the latter stages of the fast. It has never happened to me personally.
I have never fasted to completion though.
What do you think?