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Jiří on March 16, 2024, 2:11 pm
What are symptoms of betaine deficiency? Btw can niacin deplete betaine? It seems that my diet was always high in Niacin(high muscle meat diet) and low in betaine due to my issues with gluten I would eat mostly white rice.. Now When Dr.Smith started pushing niacin I am trying taking the flush form, but I feel really bad. Like really cold, slow. Like my body is shutting down. So maybe I am making the betaine deficiency worse? I will try to stop niacin and will start taking 1g of TMG, Will see if I feel better..
What are symptoms of betaine deficiency? Btw can niacin deplete betaine? It seems that my diet was always high in Niacin(high muscle meat diet) and low in betaine due to my issues with gluten I would eat mostly white rice.. Now When Dr.Smith started pushing niacin I am trying taking the flush form, but I feel really bad. Like really cold, slow. Like my body is shutting down. So maybe I am making the betaine deficiency worse? I will try to stop niacin and will start taking 1g of TMG, Will see if I feel better..
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Inger on March 17, 2024, 12:19 am
The most common symptoms include:
- hypotonia or weak muscles
- seizures
- alopecia or hair loss
- eczema
- developmental delay
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@jiri I eat some grated red beet in my salad most days to get betaine, also I started eating a spoonful or two of quinoa recently several days / week for betaine too. Its very high betaine you need just small amounts (quinoa have down sides too at least in big amounts)
I dont do any supplements anymore, I just eat a variety of foods now, lots of different things. I can feel the benefits. I cant even believe how I used to eat so few foods, I dont think it is a good idea anymore. Every food have some up or down side.
The most common symptoms include:
- hypotonia or weak muscles
- seizures
- alopecia or hair loss
- eczema
- developmental delay
came up with a quick google.
@jiri I eat some grated red beet in my salad most days to get betaine, also I started eating a spoonful or two of quinoa recently several days / week for betaine too. Its very high betaine you need just small amounts (quinoa have down sides too at least in big amounts)
I dont do any supplements anymore, I just eat a variety of foods now, lots of different things. I can feel the benefits. I cant even believe how I used to eat so few foods, I dont think it is a good idea anymore. Every food have some up or down side.
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Andrew B on March 17, 2024, 2:10 am
Be careful with overdoing the betaine. Might lead to headaches when supplemented. We recommend 200-500 mgs of betaine. One of Meri Arthur's videos cautioned about the risk. Meri herself overdid it I think at 500 mgs per day. Better with one egg than too much betaine. There is a much more comprehensive video being prepared by Meri on the whole vitamin A metabolism issue. Understanding the Effects of Nitric Oxide on B6 Metabolism and Cellular Health 🧪 - YouTube
It's individual but like Inger said I have small pieces of beetroot and small amounts of quinoa mixed with rice. I also have organic wholemeal spelt flour too.
Be careful with overdoing the betaine. Might lead to headaches when supplemented. We recommend 200-500 mgs of betaine. One of Meri Arthur's videos cautioned about the risk. Meri herself overdid it I think at 500 mgs per day. Better with one egg than too much betaine. There is a much more comprehensive video being prepared by Meri on the whole vitamin A metabolism issue. Understanding the Effects of Nitric Oxide on B6 Metabolism and Cellular Health 🧪 - YouTube
It's individual but like Inger said I have small pieces of beetroot and small amounts of quinoa mixed with rice. I also have organic wholemeal spelt flour too.
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Jiří on March 17, 2024, 7:03 am
@andrew-b thx so I will stay on 1x500mg capsule per day..
@andrew-b thx so I will stay on 1x500mg capsule per day..
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Andrew B on March 18, 2024, 5:57 am
Meredith Arthur said this on betaine:
So... Based on my own personal experience I think that I know why some people aren't tolerating betaine. This isn't the ONLY possible reason. It could also be formaldehyde intolerance because the end product of sarcosine metabolism is formaldehyde.
For me though...I think it was mineral depletion.
When I started taking betaine it fixed my functional B6 deficiency that I've been in for a very long time 25;years gluten free). This means that I rarely was making GABA in my liver. So when I had more B6 available, GABA was up regulated, and this resulted in upregulation of enzymes of the antioxidant system including superoxide dismutase both the copper and the manganese version. Also this increases glutathione peroxidase which is selenium dependent.
So I likely had a ton of lipid peroxides in my liver and throughout my body. I'm not a very healthy person I don't share about that very much. Struggled with my health for years. Going low oxalate lowered my mineral intake considerably.
After I started betaine I had a honeymoon period of where I felt great, but then I started having severe migraines. I had labs checked and I ended up with low blood levels of copper and zinc and neutropenia as well.
So I think that people who are in a really bad shape with anhydroretinol causing a lot of reactive oxygen species, when they start betaine it does this thing where it up regulates GABS and then it results in multiple downstream deficiencies of minerals.
So... As I pointed out in the video that I made yesterday, we need to make sure that we have minerals on board for the antioxidant system before we start a betaine supplement.
Hind sight.
. Avoid my mistake.
I've been taking Klaire Labs multimineral for a month and my migraines are gone.
Oh...also added 2 mg copper for a month. I started with 7 mg but it made me so hungry. Copper increases NPY
. I can't get fat. It would make me crazy. ,
Meredith Arthur said this on betaine:
So... Based on my own personal experience I think that I know why some people aren't tolerating betaine. This isn't the ONLY possible reason. It could also be formaldehyde intolerance because the end product of sarcosine metabolism is formaldehyde.
For me though...I think it was mineral depletion.
When I started taking betaine it fixed my functional B6 deficiency that I've been in for a very long time 25;years gluten free). This means that I rarely was making GABA in my liver. So when I had more B6 available, GABA was up regulated, and this resulted in upregulation of enzymes of the antioxidant system including superoxide dismutase both the copper and the manganese version. Also this increases glutathione peroxidase which is selenium dependent.
So I likely had a ton of lipid peroxides in my liver and throughout my body. I'm not a very healthy person I don't share about that very much. Struggled with my health for years. Going low oxalate lowered my mineral intake considerably.
After I started betaine I had a honeymoon period of where I felt great, but then I started having severe migraines. I had labs checked and I ended up with low blood levels of copper and zinc and neutropenia as well.
So I think that people who are in a really bad shape with anhydroretinol causing a lot of reactive oxygen species, when they start betaine it does this thing where it up regulates GABS and then it results in multiple downstream deficiencies of minerals.
So... As I pointed out in the video that I made yesterday, we need to make sure that we have minerals on board for the antioxidant system before we start a betaine supplement.
Hind sight.
. Avoid my mistake.
I've been taking Klaire Labs multimineral for a month and my migraines are gone.
Oh...also added 2 mg copper for a month. I started with 7 mg but it made me so hungry. Copper increases NPY
. I can't get fat. It would make me crazy. ,
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Jiří on March 18, 2024, 9:16 am
@andrew-b do you know how much she was taking?
@andrew-b do you know how much she was taking?
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Andrew B on March 18, 2024, 10:34 am
@jiri She was taking 500 mgs of betaine.
@jiri She was taking 500 mgs of betaine.
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Jiří on March 18, 2024, 10:42 am
@andrew-b but you can get 500mg even from diet easily right? So it is not like taking 500mg of some B vitamin fo example..
@andrew-b but you can get 500mg even from diet easily right? So it is not like taking 500mg of some B vitamin fo example..
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Andrew B on March 18, 2024, 12:52 pm
@jiri if you can get it from food then I think it's a better way with other B vitamins in say organic spelt or rye. Beetroot and quinoa might be too much oxalates for some people. Meri has a bit restricted diet because of oxalates and gluten so that might be why the betaine supplement was too much at once. If you have similar issues then I would be cautious about a supplement. Or start low and slow.
@jiri if you can get it from food then I think it's a better way with other B vitamins in say organic spelt or rye. Beetroot and quinoa might be too much oxalates for some people. Meri has a bit restricted diet because of oxalates and gluten so that might be why the betaine supplement was too much at once. If you have similar issues then I would be cautious about a supplement. Or start low and slow.
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Jiří on March 18, 2024, 1:05 pm
@andrew-b I am gluten free as well. Also I think oxalates are the worst antinutrient from plants. So I am trying to keep it low.. I will take it in supplement form. Just not every day..
@andrew-b I am gluten free as well. Also I think oxalates are the worst antinutrient from plants. So I am trying to keep it low.. I will take it in supplement form. Just not every day..
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