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Brooke Goldner: Goodbye Autoimmune
Has anyone else read the book “Goodbye Autoimmune Disease” by Brooke Goldner? She is a medical doctor (specializing in psychiatry)who had lupus through her teenage and early 20’s and she cured it by going vegan (largely raw) and it has not returned since (she is in her 40’s now).
The interesting part is she eats at least 450 grams of raw “greens” per day (spinach, kale, leafy greens mix) in the form of a smoothie mixed with fruit (bananas, mangoes) and chia or flax seeds. Needless to say this smoothie is loaded with an insane amount of vitamin A yet she has kept her lupus at bay for 2 decades eating this every day and has helped numerous people with other autoimmune issues do the same (there’s a lot of pictures and testimonials in the book to verify this).
How is this possible if Vitamin A is nothing but a toxin? I’m not saying it isn’t necessarily, but I’m just trying to get to the truth as I think we all are and this is another example of this theory just not making sense to me. There are people with very serious autoimmune issues resolving them by eliminating everything from their diet but these vitamin A packed smoothies. What am I missing here?
I feel like people will attempt to explain away the results by saying they’re poisoning themselves so bad it’s killing whatever cells were making them sick or some other convoluted logic. Don’t get me wrong, I’m open to there being a not so straightforward explanation but it has to make sense. Also I think it’s worth pointing out that the results I saw in this book far exceeded anything I have seen on this forum from people removing Vitamin A (barring Grant). There’s over 20 cases studies with pictures (where applicable) of people curing sjogren’s, arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, kidney function, etc.
So what do you all think about results like this while ingesting very large quantities of vitamin A on daily basis (100g of raw spinach can have over 9,000 IU’s for example)?
Quote from Anon33 on January 7, 2024, 12:34 amHas anyone else read the book “Goodbye Autoimmune Disease” by Brooke Goldner? She is a medical doctor (specializing in psychiatry)who had lupus through her teenage and early 20’s and she cured it by going vegan (largely raw) and it has not returned since (she is in her 40’s now).
The interesting part is she eats at least 450 grams of raw “greens” per day (spinach, kale, leafy greens mix) in the form of a smoothie mixed with fruit (bananas, mangoes) and chia or flax seeds. Needless to say this smoothie is loaded with an insane amount of vitamin A yet she has kept her lupus at bay for 2 decades eating this every day and has helped numerous people with other autoimmune issues do the same (there’s a lot of pictures and testimonials in the book to verify this).
How is this possible if Vitamin A is nothing but a toxin? I’m not saying it isn’t necessarily, but I’m just trying to get to the truth as I think we all are and this is another example of this theory just not making sense to me. There are people with very serious autoimmune issues resolving them by eliminating everything from their diet but these vitamin A packed smoothies. What am I missing here?
I feel like people will attempt to explain away the results by saying they’re poisoning themselves so bad it’s killing whatever cells were making them sick or some other convoluted logic. Don’t get me wrong, I’m open to there being a not so straightforward explanation but it has to make sense. Also I think it’s worth pointing out that the results I saw in this book far exceeded anything I have seen on this forum from people removing Vitamin A (barring Grant). There’s over 20 cases studies with pictures (where applicable) of people curing sjogren’s, arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, kidney function, etc.
So what do you all think about results like this while ingesting very large quantities of vitamin A on daily basis (100g of raw spinach can have over 9,000 IU’s for example)?
Quote from Anon33 on January 7, 2024, 12:34 amHas anyone else read the book “Goodbye Autoimmune Disease” by Brooke Goldner? She is a medical doctor (specializing in psychiatry)who had lupus through her teenage and early 20’s and she cured it by going vegan (largely raw) and it has not returned since (she is in her 40’s now).
The interesting part is she eats at least 450 grams of raw “greens” per day (spinach, kale, leafy greens mix) in the form of a smoothie mixed with fruit (bananas, mangoes) and chia or flax seeds. Needless to say this smoothie is loaded with an insane amount of vitamin A yet she has kept her lupus at bay for 2 decades eating this every day and has helped numerous people with other autoimmune issues do the same (there’s a lot of pictures and testimonials in the book to verify this).
How is this possible if Vitamin A is nothing but a toxin? I’m not saying it isn’t necessarily, but I’m just trying to get to the truth as I think we all are and this is another example of this theory just not making sense to me. There are people with very serious autoimmune issues resolving them by eliminating everything from their diet but these vitamin A packed smoothies. What am I missing here?
I feel like people will attempt to explain away the results by saying they’re poisoning themselves so bad it’s killing whatever cells were making them sick or some other convoluted logic. Don’t get me wrong, I’m open to there being a not so straightforward explanation but it has to make sense. Also I think it’s worth pointing out that the results I saw in this book far exceeded anything I have seen on this forum from people removing Vitamin A (barring Grant). There’s over 20 cases studies with pictures (where applicable) of people curing sjogren’s, arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, kidney function, etc.
So what do you all think about results like this while ingesting very large quantities of vitamin A on daily basis (100g of raw spinach can have over 9,000 IU’s for example)?
Well... I have an idea about this.
First, beta carotene, which is what you will get as a vegan, does not absorb much without fat. And many raw vegans dont eat fat, or they are very cautious about what food they combine, like they dont combine nuts with other foods (because this will give digestive trouble etc) Also its genetic how much beta carotene gets converted to vitamin A, about 50% of people convert very poorly.
I used to be raw (almost) vegan. There is a lot of food combining advice, and also many do good only on very low fat raw vegan. Most that do higher fat end up feeling unwell or getting fat etc.
I can see how it can heal many illnesses as you avoid dairy, processed foods and lots of crap the "normal" diet has.
What is going to give you troubles sooner or later most likely is, if you is not living in a sunny and warm country. Your teeth will deteriorate. You will miss out on nutrients that will give you trouble in the long run. But for many years it can go really well, as with carnivore. I would say 10-20 years. For some people of course not. They will suffer and not do well at all on that diet... but I can see how it could heal may illnesses short term.
Also trauma is a very big factor in how well the liver will function. If you suffer from lots of unresolved trauma your liver function will be worse. People who do well on extreme diets for long times might as well be blessed with less unresolved trauma and better liver and organ functions overall. Humans are very adaptable and can survive on pretty weird diets and it might not even hurt one if mentally happy and balanced. I have stopped to believe there is "the right diet"(I always used to look for that lol). There is no such thing imho. It all depends on the person, what her/his issues is, genetics, environment... so many things really.
@anon33 Because the idea that Vitamin A is only a toxin is completely false and is spread around here because of people's bias. Other things like chronic infections, gut dysbiosis, heavy metal toxicity and mineral imbalances are major factors of autoimmune diseases.
Is this the one that grew up in a pizza shop?
Edited to add: Does she eat tomatoes or is she perhaps a night-shade free vegan? It seems to me that your general purpose dough/tomato/cheese pizza is very toxic to me, but I can eat bread and cheese all day without issue. I can also eat a raw tomato here and there without issue. It's the combo. I think people don't realize how concentrated red sauce is, too. It is tomatoes reduced like 4 to 1. And long simmered (which might cause other toxins to form).
Pizza + SODA (bubbles are also problematic to me) and I can almost insure that I'll be barfing before bedtime.
This is from childhood for me.
Being raised in a pizza shop would have killed me too. Maybe just leaving the pizza shop cured her LOL.
There is another doctor who also has people eat tons of salad and eat small amounts of liver and says it cured her MS. Remember the thread on her? I think this is it: https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/wahls-talking-vitamin-a/
Truly interesting stuff, and Anon33 I'm glad you brought it to our attention.
Yesterday for lunch I had a huge salad. The night before I had the worst, wicked foot cramps ever (although no restless legs, since I didn't have seltzer, which is another story I suppose). I had decided that morning to put more of an emphasis on veg/fruit to get some potassium. Slept great, had a poop in the morning to write home about.
Lately I've been thinking about a close loved one that I'm related to who has kidney failure. I am forming a bit of a theory that lupus is chronic low-grade kidney problem. Kidney patients have particular issues with potassium balance. Just thoughts.
One thing I've noticed about myself and my blood relative with the kidney issue is that we just stay toxic longer. Give us any drug and it backfires.
Didn't someone say, yesterday, that rats never pee out carotenes? It made me wonder if humans do. It looks like the answer might be "a small amount and variable by person".
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709301/.
A Minute Dose of 14C-β-Carotene Is Absorbed and Converted to Retinoids in Humans1
"The percent of the 14C dose eliminated via urine was relatively small and surprisingly variable (6.5 ± 5.2% dose)."
"We confirm that β-carotene metabolism is highly variable, consistent with prior stable isotope-labeled carotenoid (15–17,32) and chemical analogue studies (33,34), and conclude that the variability was not an artifact of small numbers of participants, data points, or pharmacological interactions. "
"Finally, the variability may also be attributed to genetic differences that may affect lipid metabolism"
Quote from AlexM on January 7, 2024, 5:11 am@anon33 Because the idea that Vitamin A is only a toxin is completely false and is spread around here because of people's bias. Other things like chronic infections, gut dysbiosis, heavy metal toxicity and mineral imbalances are major factors of autoimmune diseases.
I'm curious then your take on why Grant healed his oozing burning peeling eczema? He ate beef, egg whites, olive oil, rice, some nuts in the beginning. If it were gut related I'd think the rice and nuts would have made it worse. I see people on the ray peat forum claim eating any starch makes them have eczema. Very strange.
Kidney failure seems to often be the end-game of lupus. But maybe it was the beginning game and the middle game too. There is no CRT screen to tell us what is really going on inside organs. Let's not forget that Grant was led here to the vitamin A idea by kidney failure, after all.
Do people like "Is" (the Hawaiian singer) who was hugely obese... Did poor kidney function lead him to become obese (possibly putting on fat in which to store toxins like VA and others) or did obesity cause his kidney to fail? We all think it is the second thing but maybe it is the first thing. Maybe it's both. (a vicious cycle)
Once I was sitting on a park bench with a person who was known for intuitive medical inspiration and I asked her about my multiple mysterious issues. She said that (and I was quite insulted, LOL) I was like a blocked up sewer.
Anyways, somewhere in my life I know that I was told the traditional thought that lettuce was cleansing.
To stop vicious cycles you need to cut into the cycle in various places--wherever you can actually.
My guess would be that Grant has cut into the vicious cycle in one way that worked for him, and Doctor Goldner has cut into the vicious cycle in another way, that worked for her.
When I googled Dr. Wahl I found out she gets people off nightshades.