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Carnivore+Liver=Cured Eczema
Quote from Hermes on July 4, 2023, 4:46 amBy the way, has anyone tried eating egg shells for extra calcium?
Eggshell is a bit hard on stomach. A fine powder with the juice of half a lemon on an empty stomach doesn't bother me, If taken with a meal it makes me bloated.
For the macro nutrient thing it's quite simple, if you go high in sugar, you have to go low in fat, and vice versa.
Remember, de novo lipogenesis in humans is low (3%), opposed to mice 20-30%, so studies are misleading, so it's better eat carbohydrates and less fat.
@christian I found this study. Eggshell membrane powder lowers plasma triglyceride and liver total cholesterol by modulating gut microbiota and accelerating lipid metabolism in high‐fat diet‐fed mice - PMC (nih.gov)
Quote from Andrew B on July 5, 2023, 5:38 am@christian I found this study. Eggshell membrane powder lowers plasma triglyceride and liver total cholesterol by modulating gut microbiota and accelerating lipid metabolism in high‐fat diet‐fed mice - PMC (nih.gov)
Reuteri strikes again!
We are all different because we all have varied backgrounds as well as epigenetics gifted to us from our parents' varied backgrounds. This goes well beyond and includes nutrient shortages. By the time we notice serious shortages, we are beyond just replacing what has been missing. Sure we need to replace the missing nutrient. It will take much more than just that though. Case in point in healing starved POW's. After WW2, many were killed by simply feeding them all they wanted. Starved liver, pancreas, everything did not have the enzymes to digest, metabolize and detox all that food. Took a few deaths before docs realized cachexic folk needed trickle feed. Having missed protein and lipid in diet makes for shortages in proteases and lipases in pancreas and liver. So people were fed nutrient rich tiny servings and kept hungry for awhile until they gradually built up digestive and metabolic speed to handle a more regular diet. Even then, such folk frequently end up looking like Audrey Hepburn the rest of their days.
Im not going to join the general discussion of this but want to point out that the statement about trickle refeeding is blatantly wrong. I think the best indicator is the Minnesota Starvation Experiment that was done during the late fazes of WWII to find out how to best refeed war-victims. It showed that it was absolutely necessary to OVERFEED the victims:
"Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20)."
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/6/1347/4663828
subsequent observation on the actualy war victims confirmed this and the death rates of trickle refeeding was A LOT higher.
This is also the foundation of the present day refeeding research.
Quote from Henrik on July 6, 2023, 6:13 am
We are all different because we all have varied backgrounds as well as epigenetics gifted to us from our parents' varied backgrounds. This goes well beyond and includes nutrient shortages. By the time we notice serious shortages, we are beyond just replacing what has been missing. Sure we need to replace the missing nutrient. It will take much more than just that though. Case in point in healing starved POW's. After WW2, many were killed by simply feeding them all they wanted. Starved liver, pancreas, everything did not have the enzymes to digest, metabolize and detox all that food. Took a few deaths before docs realized cachexic folk needed trickle feed. Having missed protein and lipid in diet makes for shortages in proteases and lipases in pancreas and liver. So people were fed nutrient rich tiny servings and kept hungry for awhile until they gradually built up digestive and metabolic speed to handle a more regular diet. Even then, such folk frequently end up looking like Audrey Hepburn the rest of their days.
Im not going to join the general discussion of this but want to point out that the statement about trickle refeeding is blatantly wrong. I think the best indicator is the Minnesota Starvation Experiment that was done during the late fazes of WWII to find out how to best refeed war-victims. It showed that it was absolutely necessary to OVERFEED the victims:
"Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20 )".
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/6/1347/4663828
La observación posterior de las víctimas de la guerra en realidad confirmó esto y las tasas de mortalidad de la realimentación lenta fueron MUCHO más altas.
Esta es también la base de la investigación actual sobre realimentación.
So why has Grant been on a diet of no more than 2000 calories for more than seven years and is he fine?
Quote from El on July 9, 2023, 12:49 amQuote from Henrik on July 6, 2023, 6:13 am
We are all different because we all have varied backgrounds as well as epigenetics gifted to us from our parents' varied backgrounds. This goes well beyond and includes nutrient shortages. By the time we notice serious shortages, we are beyond just replacing what has been missing. Sure we need to replace the missing nutrient. It will take much more than just that though. Case in point in healing starved POW's. After WW2, many were killed by simply feeding them all they wanted. Starved liver, pancreas, everything did not have the enzymes to digest, metabolize and detox all that food. Took a few deaths before docs realized cachexic folk needed trickle feed. Having missed protein and lipid in diet makes for shortages in proteases and lipases in pancreas and liver. So people were fed nutrient rich tiny servings and kept hungry for awhile until they gradually built up digestive and metabolic speed to handle a more regular diet. Even then, such folk frequently end up looking like Audrey Hepburn the rest of their days.
Im not going to join the general discussion of this but want to point out that the statement about trickle refeeding is blatantly wrong. I think the best indicator is the Minnesota Starvation Experiment that was done during the late fazes of WWII to find out how to best refeed war-victims. It showed that it was absolutely necessary to OVERFEED the victims:
"Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20 )".
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/6/1347/4663828
La observación posterior de las víctimas de la guerra en realidad confirmó esto y las tasas de mortalidad de la realimentación lenta fueron MUCHO más altas.
Esta es también la base de la investigación actual sobre realimentación.
So why has Grant been on a diet of no more than 2000 calories for more than seven years and is he fine?
I don't understand your question? Was that question ment for me? - Grant has as far as I know never been dying of starvation
Quote from El on May 28, 2023, 12:41 pmno tribe does carnivore diet, carnivore diet advocates have no idea. Carnivorous African tribes also feed on fermented foods that grow their bifiobacteria. Wild animals are very, very low in fat. Therefore if they do not eat dairy even the carnivorous tribes their diets are moderate to low in fat. By the way, the Inuts all had coronary problems, and more heart attacks than in the United States. The vegan tribes are all weak and thin but long-spanned. Carnivorous tribes strong and tall and healthy but less long-lived. THE healthiest tribe they found was the one whose diet was based on meat, shellfish and grains.
I generally agree but I dont know what you mean with carniverous tribes as you as correctly stated there are no pure carnivore tribes? You mean high meat consumption?? Also arctic tribes in general tend to be the most carniverous (duh - surprise with what's available). And healthiest tribe? that sounds also a bit hyperbolic and no vegan tribes has as far as I know ever been discovered even if 90% or more exists. There are some vegan cultures in asia but not at all tribal societies.
Quote from Henrik on July 9, 2023, 8:27 amQuote from El on July 9, 2023, 12:49 amQuote from Henrik on July 6, 2023, 6:13 am
We are all different because we all have varied backgrounds as well as epigenetics gifted to us from our parents' varied backgrounds. This goes well beyond and includes nutrient shortages. By the time we notice serious shortages, we are beyond just replacing what has been missing. Sure we need to replace the missing nutrient. It will take much more than just that though. Case in point in healing starved POW's. After WW2, many were killed by simply feeding them all they wanted. Starved liver, pancreas, everything did not have the enzymes to digest, metabolize and detox all that food. Took a few deaths before docs realized cachexic folk needed trickle feed. Having missed protein and lipid in diet makes for shortages in proteases and lipases in pancreas and liver. So people were fed nutrient rich tiny servings and kept hungry for awhile until they gradually built up digestive and metabolic speed to handle a more regular diet. Even then, such folk frequently end up looking like Audrey Hepburn the rest of their days.
Im not going to join the general discussion of this but want to point out that the statement about trickle refeeding is blatantly wrong. I think the best indicator is the Minnesota Starvation Experiment that was done during the late fazes of WWII to find out how to best refeed war-victims. It showed that it was absolutely necessary to OVERFEED the victims:
"Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20 )".
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/6/1347/4663828
La observación posterior de las víctimas de la guerra en realidad confirmó esto y las tasas de mortalidad de la realimentación lenta fueron MUCHO más altas.
Esta es también la base de la investigación actual sobre realimentación.
So why has Grant been on a diet of no more than 2000 calories for more than seven years and is he fine?I don't understand your question? Was that question ment for me? - Grant has as far as I know never been dying of starvation
He has written that he eats those calories a day.
Quote from Henrik on July 6, 2023, 6:13 am
We are all different because we all have varied backgrounds as well as epigenetics gifted to us from our parents' varied backgrounds. This goes well beyond and includes nutrient shortages. By the time we notice serious shortages, we are beyond just replacing what has been missing. Sure we need to replace the missing nutrient. It will take much more than just that though. Case in point in healing starved POW's. After WW2, many were killed by simply feeding them all they wanted. Starved liver, pancreas, everything did not have the enzymes to digest, metabolize and detox all that food. Took a few deaths before docs realized cachexic folk needed trickle feed. Having missed protein and lipid in diet makes for shortages in proteases and lipases in pancreas and liver. So people were fed nutrient rich tiny servings and kept hungry for awhile until they gradually built up digestive and metabolic speed to handle a more regular diet. Even then, such folk frequently end up looking like Audrey Hepburn the rest of their days.
Im not going to join the general discussion of this but want to point out that the statement about trickle refeeding is blatantly wrong. I think the best indicator is the Minnesota Starvation Experiment that was done during the late fazes of WWII to find out how to best refeed war-victims. It showed that it was absolutely necessary to OVERFEED the victims:
"Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20)."
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/6/1347/4663828
subsequent observation on the actualy war victims confirmed this and the death rates of trickle refeeding was A LOT higher.
This is also the foundation of the present day refeeding research.
The study was short term (as in 6 months) semi-starvation. Not long term actual starvation. No one was prepared for the state of the holocaust survivors. Not even Ancel Keys.
Quote from Liz on July 13, 2023, 12:37 amQuote from Henrik on July 6, 2023, 6:13 am
We are all different because we all have varied backgrounds as well as epigenetics gifted to us from our parents' varied backgrounds. This goes well beyond and includes nutrient shortages. By the time we notice serious shortages, we are beyond just replacing what has been missing. Sure we need to replace the missing nutrient. It will take much more than just that though. Case in point in healing starved POW's. After WW2, many were killed by simply feeding them all they wanted. Starved liver, pancreas, everything did not have the enzymes to digest, metabolize and detox all that food. Took a few deaths before docs realized cachexic folk needed trickle feed. Having missed protein and lipid in diet makes for shortages in proteases and lipases in pancreas and liver. So people were fed nutrient rich tiny servings and kept hungry for awhile until they gradually built up digestive and metabolic speed to handle a more regular diet. Even then, such folk frequently end up looking like Audrey Hepburn the rest of their days.
Im not going to join the general discussion of this but want to point out that the statement about trickle refeeding is blatantly wrong. I think the best indicator is the Minnesota Starvation Experiment that was done during the late fazes of WWII to find out how to best refeed war-victims. It showed that it was absolutely necessary to OVERFEED the victims:
"Enough food must be supplied to allow tissues destroyed during starvation to be rebuilt … our experiments have shown that in an adult man no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2000 calories [actually 2000 kcal (8368 kJ)] a day. The proper level is more like 4000 [4000 kcal (16,736 kJ)] daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value (20)."
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/6/1347/4663828
subsequent observation on the actualy war victims confirmed this and the death rates of trickle refeeding was A LOT higher.
This is also the foundation of the present day refeeding research.
The study was short term (as in 6 months) semi-starvation. Not long term actual starvation. No one was prepared for the state of the holocaust survivors. Not even Ancel Keys.
Not to be rude but did you read about the study and see the pictures. The average holocaust survivor was not in camp for more than 6 months, one participant lost his mind temporarily and cut of his fingers with an axe and they had problems for decades after due to the severity of the starvation. Also exactly this study was used to help exactly those people you claim they were not prepared for (though the final paper was a couple of months late unfortunatly. 
This is pretty serious starvation and is not even the worst pictures of the participants. Also it still is used as the model for such rehabilitation....so no thats just plain wrong and also implies not reading up on the study. I appreciate the fact that we can not all read up on all studies but since you claim to deconstruct it I think it's proper to actually correct that statment