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Comprehensive List of Foods with Zero Vitamin A and Zero Precursors

I looked for a similar thread, but couldn't find one.   If you know of foods that have zero vitamin A and zero vitamin A precursors, then please add them to the list.    If I need to remove (or qualify with limits/etc.) some of these then please let me know.

I'm guessing the following are indeed safe for those who are attempting to consume zero VitA (being listed in Grant's book, I imagine he already researched these):

  • White or brown rice (not yellow or golden!)
  • Beef (steak, roast, ideally cooked in a slow cooker, no sauces,
    or spices other than salt and trace amounts of pepper if
    wanted). Bison would be even better than beef.
  • Cauliflower
  • Black pinto beans
  • Olive oil (max of 1 teaspoon per day)
  • Black coffee if wanted (no milk no cream, no whiteners)
  • Zinc, Vitamin C, and B supplements if wanted
  • Pineapple (are there quantity limits/issues?)
  • Honey (again, are there quantity limits?)
  • Almonds (small quantities (like just a couple per day) similar to olive oil - a couple a day as the E they provide can increase serum vit A)
  • Raisins (sundried.  Why did these not make Grant's diet list?)
  • 100% grape juice

There are some foods that Grant fed to his gerbils and so I'm guessing the make the list.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

  • sunflower seed (I got this from the potato chips with sunflower seed oil that was fed to the gerbils)
  • white flesh potatoes (what kind of potatoes are okay?)
  • hempseed
  • partially-cooked rolled oats (if rolled oats are okay then I'm going to be very relieved as I love to eat them.  Is there some reason to only partially cook them?)
  • peanuts
  • macadamia nuts

Ultimately it'd be helpful for the more knowledgeable members to collaborate on a google sheet spreadsheet which itemizes the various foods and their vitamin A and precursor content and is sorted with the best at the top.

 

Many of the things you posted are not zero VA. Beef for example is very low but not zero.

Things not on your list that I eat that are very low A or zero A:

Parsnip
Onion
Garlic
Mushrooms
Bread
Potatoes
Strawberries
Lychees
Beer
Coke
Almond milk (for tea)
Black tea
Sugar
Maple syrup
Beef fat (spread on bread)
Jelly (coloured with anthocyanin)

Meats that I consume, these have a similar VA content to beef:

Skinless organic chicken
Squid
Scallops

Oats are probably ok but they can causes digestive issues and flatulence in some from the amount of fiber they contain. They are also moderately high in Lutein+Zeaxanthin.

Thanks Tim!   What kind of onions, specifically?  White, yellow, sweet?  And are onion greens okay?

Quote from nate on June 6, 2019, 5:58 pm

Thanks Tim!   What kind of onions, specifically?  White, yellow, sweet?  And are onion greens okay?

No worries Nate, I just buy the common white onions. I'm not familiar with the other types.

Also in case it helps:

I also eat the white part of leeks and the inner part of cabbage but these vegetables will still give some carotenoids even if you do that so I don't really class them as very low.

I have three foods that are ok when I am out: Vietnamese Pho (it has some mung sprouts which are low A and a tiny sprinkling of green herbs), McDonalds hamburger meal which includes fries and coke (small amount of tomato sauce in burger, total VA content of burger is 100 IU) and I go once per week to a good fish and chip shop and get potato chips, calamari and scallops.

Because VA detox takes so long it helps me if I'm enjoying my diet. It's also possible I will stay on this diet for life. I have been dumping VA on and off (and get severe hypervitaminosis A symptoms when it dumps) since I started 4 months ago so I'm certainly not consuming anywhere near enough VA to interfere with VA depletion.

Peanuts are not a good idea either:

https://nutritionrestored.com/blog-forum/topic/why-peanuts-are-not-on-the-ok-food-list/

 

Did this spreadsheet ever get made?

I question whether honey should be considered safe on the VA detox diet. Upon researching the subject honey contains at least one carotenoid Lycopene in enough quantity to be listed in scientific studies. The second link I posted says that the higher content of carotenoids in honey is found in the darker varieties possibly so perhaps lighter honey is more acceptable? Curious what your thoughts on this are.

Click to access 1ab447e01ac6fcd2ecedcc090da54da7da48.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878535214001737

When bees gather honey they get bright yellow pollen dust all over them.    It's very cute.  Unrefined honey will have a bit of pollen in it, though not a lot.

Flowers are so very colorful, but in many colors.  However, doesn't it seem like pollens are almost always yellow?  Isn't it strange, there is that "yellow pigments are often found in reproduction" thing again!   And there is that warning color!

Personally, I much prefer other sweeteners (even when I kept bees I didn't like honey much!).  I use honey only for two things:  salad dressing and for soothing sore throat.  Honey salad dressing is the bomb.

If you DO like honey, and some people DO!  ... plants make nectar on purpose as a food to attract birds and insects that HELP them.  In other words...plants aren't trying to kill those particular birds and insects -they are trying to attract them!  That's how their pollen gets spread.  So, I doubt honey is very toxic, and maybe the most toxic part is the pollen?

Of course, there will be people who tell you that taking bee pollen is also  healthful.  Bees do eat it, it gives them protein.  I never had much of a hankering for it.

Image result for bee with pollen on legs

Yes, it's the light colored honey that is on the okay list as per nutritionrestored.com and eatbeautiful.net VA detox food list.