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@janelle525 @alexm

Okay, I'm jumping to conclusions. Yes, coffee enemas seemed to calm me down at first, maybe they still would. But at some point my sleep became so erratic that I would sleep during the day and not at night. When I stopped the coffee enemas, things started to normalize. Mushrooms had the same effect on sleep. Eating them delayed sleep onset. So I figured there must be something wrong with my copper metabolism. I was also pretty hyped up, tense, which I can only assess now that I'm calmer, where it's a real challenge to get started in the day. Slow brain, slow thinking. Maybe the coffee enemas pulled out too much copper that I couldn't handle? The biggest difference from a year ago is that I now eat at least four egg yolk a day on a fairly regular basis, sometimes five, whereas back then I was doing almost zero vitamin A.

Quote from Hermes on September 10, 2024, 10:14 am

@janelle525 @alexm

Okay, I'm jumping to conclusions. Yes, coffee enemas seemed to calm me down at first, maybe they still would. But at some point my sleep became so erratic that I would sleep during the day and not at night. When I stopped the coffee enemas, things started to normalize. Mushrooms had the same effect on sleep. Eating them delayed sleep onset. So I figured there must be something wrong with my copper metabolism. I was also pretty hyped up, tense, which I can only assess now that I'm calmer, where it's a real challenge to get started in the day. Slow brain, slow thinking. Maybe the coffee enemas pulled out too much copper that I couldn't handle? The biggest difference from a year ago is that I now eat at least four egg yolk a day on a fairly regular basis, sometimes five, whereas back then I was doing almost zero vitamin A.

Yeah you probably just overdid the coffee it's a stimulant and this can mess with your sleep, I remember you said you were doing 3 per day at one point which is too much tbh. But true it's also possible you moved around copper in your body with them

Mushrooms are very high in glutamates and this can cause a wired feeling effect which could cause insomnia.

Quote from Tricky on September 9, 2024, 2:07 pm

@alexm

Thanks but no thanks on the coffee enemas.  I've tried a wide variety of top down approaches to resolving GI issues and none of them worked entirely.  I choose not to shoot toxic compounds backwards up a tube that evolved as a one-way route for excretion of waste, but I understand that approach has its place in the world of medicine.

Supposing I were to do a microbiome analysis and actually believed the results had any useful bearing on my condition (I don't), and supposing the results suggested I did have something "wrong" with my microbiome (I wouldn't assume this), it still wouldn't explain the root cause of an imbalance.  As I've made clear in my other posts, I think there is something about the process of eliminating excess Vitamin A that is wreaking havoc on my intestines.  I've indicated that eating more VA seems to reduce my symptoms temporarily, and I've suggested this has to do with FXR activation in the intestines and subsequent downregulation of bile acid production.  Given my history of clearly excessive VA consumption, and the dramatic shift in symptoms I experienced after removing VA from my diet that were in line with VA toxicity, I've deduced that the reduction in symptoms associated with increased VA intake is just postponing the process of getting the remaining excess out.  The experience of another user (shaun) seems to be in line with this idea.

I'm glad you're happy with your results from doing coffee enemas and HTMA and taking supplements that include VA, but I have many disagreements about the conclusions you've drawn from all this.  I've said so before and our debates didn't seem productive, so I'll just thank you for your suggestion here and not go into all of that again.

Yeah completely understand why you wouldn't wanna do coffee enemas.

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