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Dairy
Quote from tim on February 12, 2019, 4:18 amLearning about chronic VA toxicity was really the final nail in the coffin for me when it comes to seeing dairy products as a useful and healthy food.
There are casein issues, beta-casomorphin-7 issues, lactose and galactose issues, hormone including IGF-1 issues and excess calcium issues.
VA is another issue to add to that long list.
But what about butter? I was heavily influenced by WAPF ideology so I used to make sure that I had plenty of it with any high carotene veges that I ate to ensure maximum absorption of VA. Well butter has minimal lactose and calcium but as anyone who has clarified butter before can attest it still has plenty of milk proteins.
What about clarified butter? Well it is a pure fat however if you use it for sauteing which is what it's intended use is you get a large dose of oxidized cholesterol...
Hmm ok well butter should be ok since it is mostly fat... Ok I will use about 10 grams per slice of bread. I might use 40 grams in a day then. Oh dear, that gives me 1000 IU VA just from butter alone...
What about Butyric Acid? Well it is supposed to come from healthy intestinal flora, not butter.
Learning about chronic VA toxicity was really the final nail in the coffin for me when it comes to seeing dairy products as a useful and healthy food.
There are casein issues, beta-casomorphin-7 issues, lactose and galactose issues, hormone including IGF-1 issues and excess calcium issues.
VA is another issue to add to that long list.
But what about butter? I was heavily influenced by WAPF ideology so I used to make sure that I had plenty of it with any high carotene veges that I ate to ensure maximum absorption of VA. Well butter has minimal lactose and calcium but as anyone who has clarified butter before can attest it still has plenty of milk proteins.
What about clarified butter? Well it is a pure fat however if you use it for sauteing which is what it's intended use is you get a large dose of oxidized cholesterol...
Hmm ok well butter should be ok since it is mostly fat... Ok I will use about 10 grams per slice of bread. I might use 40 grams in a day then. Oh dear, that gives me 1000 IU VA just from butter alone...
What about Butyric Acid? Well it is supposed to come from healthy intestinal flora, not butter.
Quote from somuch4food on February 12, 2019, 6:31 amI like the rant here. I'm slowly reducing dairy intake. I still have some and plain yogourt seems to be the safest from my experience.
About butyrate, you can check the resistant starch thread too. It might not be all it's cracked up to be.
I like the rant here. I'm slowly reducing dairy intake. I still have some and plain yogourt seems to be the safest from my experience.
About butyrate, you can check the resistant starch thread too. It might not be all it's cracked up to be.
Quote from Guest on February 12, 2019, 6:46 amWhy would yogurt be the safest?
I leave my butter for toast and then mostly try to stay away during the detox. I feel so confused on it as well.
Why would yogurt be the safest?
I leave my butter for toast and then mostly try to stay away during the detox. I feel so confused on it as well.
Quote from somuch4food on February 12, 2019, 7:20 amThe bacteria predigests part of the milk's proteins and sugars. Fermented fresh milk products were the only recommended dairy products in the lutein free diet I read about which is a low carotenoids diet that cures autism. That's about it for the science.
My opinion is mostly personal experience. Yogourt does not have the same addictive feeling I get from some cheeses or milk. It calms me actually.
The bacteria predigests part of the milk's proteins and sugars. Fermented fresh milk products were the only recommended dairy products in the lutein free diet I read about which is a low carotenoids diet that cures autism. That's about it for the science.
My opinion is mostly personal experience. Yogourt does not have the same addictive feeling I get from some cheeses or milk. It calms me actually.
Quote from Guest on February 12, 2019, 7:32 amI may add it in after the detox. I have always felt pretty well on yogurt as well. I felt good on kefir too.
I may add it in after the detox. I have always felt pretty well on yogurt as well. I felt good on kefir too.
Quote from Даниил on August 21, 2021, 1:59 amButter is definitely no. But I wonder how much VA binds to casein? Maybe low-fat dairy products are ok? In my opinion, milk is generally a much better food than meat (it is digested faster, there are no all these heavy metals, etc.)
Of course, skimmed milk will have a lot of water-soluble metabolites of VA, but what about skimmed cottage cheese?
Butter is definitely no. But I wonder how much VA binds to casein? Maybe low-fat dairy products are ok? In my opinion, milk is generally a much better food than meat (it is digested faster, there are no all these heavy metals, etc.)
Of course, skimmed milk will have a lot of water-soluble metabolites of VA, but what about skimmed cottage cheese?
Quote from salt on August 21, 2021, 7:10 amQuote from Даниил on August 21, 2021, 1:59 amButter is definitely no. But I wonder how much VA binds to casein? Maybe low-fat dairy products are ok? In my opinion, milk is generally a much better food than meat (it is digested faster, there are no all these heavy metals, etc.)
Of course, skimmed milk will have a lot of water-soluble metabolites of VA, but what about skimmed cottage cheese?
This was discussed in another thread and I don't remember the specifics but I think a study said that about 40% of the VA in dairy is bound to casein. Some (less) is also bound to the whey protein.
Quote from Даниил on August 21, 2021, 1:59 amButter is definitely no. But I wonder how much VA binds to casein? Maybe low-fat dairy products are ok? In my opinion, milk is generally a much better food than meat (it is digested faster, there are no all these heavy metals, etc.)
Of course, skimmed milk will have a lot of water-soluble metabolites of VA, but what about skimmed cottage cheese?
This was discussed in another thread and I don't remember the specifics but I think a study said that about 40% of the VA in dairy is bound to casein. Some (less) is also bound to the whey protein.
Quote from Armin on August 21, 2021, 10:51 amAnd Pasteurization most likely converts 34% of retinol to retinoic acid or some retinol derivative.
And Pasteurization most likely converts 34% of retinol to retinoic acid or some retinol derivative.