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Does Vitamin A pass on during baby formation ?
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r on May 2, 2020, 4:35 am
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"This baby (now 1yr) is by far the my sickest. Food allergies/sensitives: dairy, egg, corn, wheat, pepper, tomato, potato, and I'm also suspicious of coconut milk, chocolate and nuts. His reaction to even the slightest of any of these foods is HORRIBLE itchy rash that lasts about 5-10 days."
How can 1 year old baby have Vitamin A Toxicity ? does it pass on to the baby during formation in womb or was it passed on from breast milk ?
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"This baby (now 1yr) is by far the my sickest. Food allergies/sensitives: dairy, egg, corn, wheat, pepper, tomato, potato, and I'm also suspicious of coconut milk, chocolate and nuts. His reaction to even the slightest of any of these foods is HORRIBLE itchy rash that lasts about 5-10 days."
How can 1 year old baby have Vitamin A Toxicity ? does it pass on to the baby during formation in womb or was it passed on from breast milk ?
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Jenny on May 2, 2020, 10:51 am
From my understanding it definitely can & breast milk is a significant source.
I think I’ve passed the problem to my daughter. Good that you have realised while your child is small.
Looking back my daughter had all the indications including orange skin. Luckily children’s livers grow & this can make the issue much less problematic once the child gets a bit older. Awareness will stop this affecting your child’s life I’m sure.
From my understanding it definitely can & breast milk is a significant source.
I think I’ve passed the problem to my daughter. Good that you have realised while your child is small.
Looking back my daughter had all the indications including orange skin. Luckily children’s livers grow & this can make the issue much less problematic once the child gets a bit older. Awareness will stop this affecting your child’s life I’m sure.
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Sarabeth on May 8, 2020, 11:33 am
I am nearly certain that it passes on to children - I was vegetarian with my first two, and had been all my life, and I think zinc deficiency exacerbated other issues, maybe A toxicity, plus hypoglycemia. Then with #3 and #4, I pounded the WAPF-Sally-Fallon advised liver and egg yolks and dairy, plus orange veggies and tons of greens...an insane amount of vitamin A. These were my sickest pregnancies and babies (although the first two had issues too!), until I discovered zinc/B6 supplements in the middle of pregnancy #4.
These supps sustained me for the past five years and saved my life - but low A has allowed me to wean off of them and feel the best I have in many years. I am now pregnant with #5...and we shall see! It's not good to be cavalier in any way, but I have hope that perhaps the intense feeding issues and failure to thrive and lack of sleeping and behavioral issues might be better this time??
One never knows! But low A has helped my kids SO much out-of-utero that I am hopeful it will help the one in utero as well!
Here's a long update with some of my theories... http://www.lifeisapalindrome.com/updates/experiment-involving-bs-and-so-much-improvement
I am nearly certain that it passes on to children - I was vegetarian with my first two, and had been all my life, and I think zinc deficiency exacerbated other issues, maybe A toxicity, plus hypoglycemia. Then with #3 and #4, I pounded the WAPF-Sally-Fallon advised liver and egg yolks and dairy, plus orange veggies and tons of greens...an insane amount of vitamin A. These were my sickest pregnancies and babies (although the first two had issues too!), until I discovered zinc/B6 supplements in the middle of pregnancy #4.
These supps sustained me for the past five years and saved my life - but low A has allowed me to wean off of them and feel the best I have in many years. I am now pregnant with #5...and we shall see! It's not good to be cavalier in any way, but I have hope that perhaps the intense feeding issues and failure to thrive and lack of sleeping and behavioral issues might be better this time??
One never knows! But low A has helped my kids SO much out-of-utero that I am hopeful it will help the one in utero as well!
Here's a long update with some of my theories... http://www.lifeisapalindrome.com/updates/experiment-involving-bs-and-so-much-improvement
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Ourania on May 8, 2020, 9:42 pm
I also think it passes on to children. Both my siblings have very bad vitamin A problems, as well as I. All three of us are past 60 years of age, had these problems all our lives and since an early age lived separately in different places/countries. Our mother died of this eventually. I am the eldest, was born very premature and refused to be breast-fed. Most probably identified her as a source of poison. All my life I refused milk and cheese, all dairy products, until I was poisoned by my doctor around the age of 50, when I started taking big helpings of yoghurt. "for my bones". I do think some of us were born with a good start of poisoning.
I also think it passes on to children. Both my siblings have very bad vitamin A problems, as well as I. All three of us are past 60 years of age, had these problems all our lives and since an early age lived separately in different places/countries. Our mother died of this eventually. I am the eldest, was born very premature and refused to be breast-fed. Most probably identified her as a source of poison. All my life I refused milk and cheese, all dairy products, until I was poisoned by my doctor around the age of 50, when I started taking big helpings of yoghurt. "for my bones". I do think some of us were born with a good start of poisoning.
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Jenny on May 9, 2020, 2:48 am
@sarabeth-matilsky thank you for posting your truly excellent article. This is just the way I’m thinking about things too.
One factor that has been different for me is that Vitamin A made me fat which is probably why I’m not so ill as I probably would have been. I now see the extra fat as my body protecting me by storing the toxicity away. When I supplemented CLO in 2013 I put on 21lbs inexplicably in a year. Previous to this my adult weight had been quite stable apart from pregnancies. I fortuitously changed to pure omega 3 & the excessive weight gain stopped but extra weight never went. Then in 2018 I supplemented with retinyl palmitate 5000IU & another 8lb went on in a couple of months. Now I know about vA toxicity, the association between with vitamin A supplementation & weight gain is SO clear. Why didn’t I see it at the time? My weight just shot up for no apparent reason. Now I’m detoxing vA my body is slowing letting go of the excess fat. I’m not rushing it. I’ve got rid of the second ‘poisoning’ weight & hopefully over the next couple of years the first poisoning weight will fall away. I no longer put on weight. It’s a wonderful release from constantly feeling I was a failure for getting fatter.
@sarabeth-matilsky thank you for posting your truly excellent article. This is just the way I’m thinking about things too.
One factor that has been different for me is that Vitamin A made me fat which is probably why I’m not so ill as I probably would have been. I now see the extra fat as my body protecting me by storing the toxicity away. When I supplemented CLO in 2013 I put on 21lbs inexplicably in a year. Previous to this my adult weight had been quite stable apart from pregnancies. I fortuitously changed to pure omega 3 & the excessive weight gain stopped but extra weight never went. Then in 2018 I supplemented with retinyl palmitate 5000IU & another 8lb went on in a couple of months. Now I know about vA toxicity, the association between with vitamin A supplementation & weight gain is SO clear. Why didn’t I see it at the time? My weight just shot up for no apparent reason. Now I’m detoxing vA my body is slowing letting go of the excess fat. I’m not rushing it. I’ve got rid of the second ‘poisoning’ weight & hopefully over the next couple of years the first poisoning weight will fall away. I no longer put on weight. It’s a wonderful release from constantly feeling I was a failure for getting fatter.
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Jenny on May 9, 2020, 3:02 am
@ourania I totally agree. I think some of us are born with a head start with the poisoning.
Cod liver oil was very popular for children after WW2 in the UK & this generation (my Mum) were dosed with it. I think that this started off a problem in my family. My Mum was definitely vA toxic I now clearly recognise & probably did for her in the end (long story).
As a child I always ate cheese but totally refused all vegetables. I would occasionally eat celery but that was it. I don’t think I had any beta carotene until I was about 16. I now wonder if my body was recognising the toxicity (or was I just a pain 🤣). I was a very healthy child. My sister who was a ‘good’ eater was very sickly. She was the eldest too so that probably didn’t help her. Interesting to re interpret in the light of vA toxicity.
@ourania I totally agree. I think some of us are born with a head start with the poisoning.
Cod liver oil was very popular for children after WW2 in the UK & this generation (my Mum) were dosed with it. I think that this started off a problem in my family. My Mum was definitely vA toxic I now clearly recognise & probably did for her in the end (long story).
As a child I always ate cheese but totally refused all vegetables. I would occasionally eat celery but that was it. I don’t think I had any beta carotene until I was about 16. I now wonder if my body was recognising the toxicity (or was I just a pain 🤣). I was a very healthy child. My sister who was a ‘good’ eater was very sickly. She was the eldest too so that probably didn’t help her. Interesting to re interpret in the light of vA toxicity.
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Jiří on May 9, 2020, 4:04 am
It is not just vit A. Everything from the mother will pass on baby. Heavy metals, drugs, deficiencies. You see it all the time especially deficiencies of minerals, vitamins(each kid will deplete the mother a lot and if she has a bad diet then second, third kid will be more and more deficient and also more toxic, because mineral deficiency and heavy metal toxicity goes hand in hand). So first baby is doing better in life. Is healthier, smarter etc. and second or third kid has health issues, doesn't do so well in school, will develop some addictions most likely etc..
It is not just vit A. Everything from the mother will pass on baby. Heavy metals, drugs, deficiencies. You see it all the time especially deficiencies of minerals, vitamins(each kid will deplete the mother a lot and if she has a bad diet then second, third kid will be more and more deficient and also more toxic, because mineral deficiency and heavy metal toxicity goes hand in hand). So first baby is doing better in life. Is healthier, smarter etc. and second or third kid has health issues, doesn't do so well in school, will develop some addictions most likely etc..
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Jenny on May 9, 2020, 6:40 am
A UK environmental toxins expert (Dr Jenny Goodman) said the opposite. The first child gets the big toxin dump.
I can see what you are saying about deficiency so I guess this could have an effect. However, the child that is growing when the Mum is most toxic has the most problems. If the second child comes fairly close to the first then the Mum is probably less toxic. Of course if the Mum goes on a Ray Peat health kick (or some other exposure) before the second baby then she could be more toxic.
A UK environmental toxins expert (Dr Jenny Goodman) said the opposite. The first child gets the big toxin dump.
I can see what you are saying about deficiency so I guess this could have an effect. However, the child that is growing when the Mum is most toxic has the most problems. If the second child comes fairly close to the first then the Mum is probably less toxic. Of course if the Mum goes on a Ray Peat health kick (or some other exposure) before the second baby then she could be more toxic.
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romaine on May 9, 2020, 8:01 am
@jaj What you described matches my own experience. I was the first born and my sister was born about 14 months later. I have so many more problems than my sister. My first born, my son, had great language delays as a baby and child. My second child did not have any delays. I do understand that boys are more prone to those type of delays but his were so severe that the moron of pediatrian said she thought he was retarded (I say moron because he was drawing pictures of cars when 1 year old but I guess that didn't matter to her diagnosis. I have so many stories of how doctors are morons). He is a teenager now and is in GATE (a program for gifted children) and in many advanced high school classes.
@jaj What you described matches my own experience. I was the first born and my sister was born about 14 months later. I have so many more problems than my sister. My first born, my son, had great language delays as a baby and child. My second child did not have any delays. I do understand that boys are more prone to those type of delays but his were so severe that the moron of pediatrian said she thought he was retarded (I say moron because he was drawing pictures of cars when 1 year old but I guess that didn't matter to her diagnosis. I have so many stories of how doctors are morons). He is a teenager now and is in GATE (a program for gifted children) and in many advanced high school classes.
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Jiří on May 9, 2020, 8:49 am
@jaj in terms of toxicity it makes sense that second child will have less toxins, BUT if this child is low in key minerals like iodine for example. This child will have lower IQ and even if there will be lower toxin load. It will harm him more because things like heavy metals especially displace minerals that are absent in the body.. Why you think that somebody has mouth full of amalgams without any issues and somebody has ruined health from 2-3 amalgams. Because the first person has all components to deal with that oxidative damage and can detox this mercury.. My health was ruined exactly like this.. I was second child, also very bad diet deficient basically in everything. So once they fill my mouth with 4 amalgams it was game over for me.. The final nail in the coffin for me was porn and masturbation. Which depleted last drops of zinc that I had in my body and when you eat meat or any good source of zinc maybe once a week. It went downhill pretty fast.
@jaj in terms of toxicity it makes sense that second child will have less toxins, BUT if this child is low in key minerals like iodine for example. This child will have lower IQ and even if there will be lower toxin load. It will harm him more because things like heavy metals especially displace minerals that are absent in the body.. Why you think that somebody has mouth full of amalgams without any issues and somebody has ruined health from 2-3 amalgams. Because the first person has all components to deal with that oxidative damage and can detox this mercury.. My health was ruined exactly like this.. I was second child, also very bad diet deficient basically in everything. So once they fill my mouth with 4 amalgams it was game over for me.. The final nail in the coffin for me was porn and masturbation. Which depleted last drops of zinc that I had in my body and when you eat meat or any good source of zinc maybe once a week. It went downhill pretty fast.
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