Quote from Retinoicon on June 20, 2022, 10:47 am

Quote from Carnivore on June 20, 2022, 10:41 am

Thanks for asking! I didn't even think about that yet but now that I do - the heart is not a storage organ, nor does it process toxins like the liver, kidneys, spleen etc. Why should the body store such a harmful substance in an organ as vital as the heart? This would make no sense at all.

We know there is retinol and beta carotene in muscle meat. Would it be inconceivable that the heart would have say three times as much per weight?

Quote from wavygravygadzooks on June 20, 2022, 11:44 am

@carnivore

Careful with loading up on tallow right away...my Vitamin A detox symptoms seem to be driven by animal fat consumption, the more fat I eat the worse the detox gets.  Also, if you have excessive Vitamin A in the liver, you will likely get fat malabsorption because the liver downregulates bile acid production in the presence of excess Vitamin A (most likely to prevent additional absorption of Vitamin A from food by impairing fat absorption).

Why don't you try just eating the heart muscle by itself a few times without additional fat and see how that makes you feel.  And then, separately, trying skeletal muscle with various amounts of tallow to see what effect that has.

Quote from Carnivore on June 21, 2022, 5:38 am

@jeremy It's not inconceivable but as I wrote, it would make no sense to load a vital (non-storage, non-detox) organ up with a toxic substance. By the same reasoning muscle meat could be loaded up with retinol, which it isn't. There may be a little in the tissue simply because it's unbiqitous but the heart is definitely no poison dump, so the benefits of eating heart certainly outweight the drawbacks.

@wavygravygadzooks Thanks for the tip! I don't worry much about detox symptoms, however. So far, besides the abdominal cramps  from eating heart the only health issue I currently have is some rash on my neck. That reappeared last weekend because I spent about 14 hours naked in full sunlight and 35°C heat. I was expecting detox to increase because of that and it did, and I was pleasantly surprised that I got zero sunburn. The rash is healing nicely and will probably have disappeared in 2-3 days.

I don't seem to have an excessive amount of VA in the liver, at least my fat absorption is pretty good. I don't get diarrhea when I eat a lot of fat as long as it's not heated, though eating fat hot definitely increases detox further and that can become too much rather quickly, with the result of diarrhea, vomiting and nausea. So I'm careful with that and consume fat mostly at room temperature or colder.

Eating heart (almost) without additional fat is what I did last time and I think the missing fat actually may have been the problem. I experienced no nausea or anything, just cramps, so I assume that the body merely tried to bring in fluids to dilute and flush out the acids because when I did some enemas the cramps disappeared almost immediately. I can't be sure but I'm happy to experiment some more now that I know what to do if it happens again.