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Fish oil
I am wondering exactly how much vitamin A is exactly in fish oil?
Anyone try a plant based DHA? Would that contain VA?
You are using the word exactly twice which makes me think you want to be very sure of what you are taking in.
I can't blame you, here we all are, poisoned trying to get well.
I'm not sure there are "exactly" answers, but especially of supplements.
We don't even know the "exactly" answer to foods!
Is there hidden A in lard? in casein?
It sure makes me think we don't know crap.
Do we know that livers/eyes etc aren't going into the vat?
Beyond VA, plant-based might be estrogenic?
I found a supposedly high quality brand called vectomega they claim that they don't use heat to process and have purity test for mercury and other heavy metals. Gonna give it a shot. I am currently reconsidering everything because lowering VA alone wasn't the solution for me.
@ronnie - What are your health issues and what is your VA background (ie Accutane, supplements, retinoid usage)? I wonder if you have not been on the diet long enough or strict enough? I did a quick search and couldn’t find a log, sorry if I missed it! Seems like fish oil would be a very risky experiment...
I did not use accutane but I did go on a crazy westen a price phase for one year combined with other high VA style diets and that messed up my skin. I used cod liver oil for maybe a month or two. Retinol, maybe small exposure from multivitamin use but short term.
On the diet since December. Saw benefits for the first month (could be placebo) but no cure . Still pretty strict with diet with VA intake from few vegetables and fruits( for example I recently reintroduced broccoli).
I am just recalling what I ate when I was in my prime bodybuilding years and I was taking in daily fish oil and vitamin D.
It's hard because you have half the world for something and the other half against it. Everyone uses terms like "detox" but how do you differentiate between that and actual problems. I listen to Dr. Smith and I like what he says but he's too conspiratorial. If he sees evidence of for example vitamin D working for people he dismisses it as surpressing immune system so temporary good for long term bad. For me that's an easy cop out as there is literature going both way... Same for fish oil.
And, while i think that Grant did amazing job warning about excess vitamin A and made me stop my nutrient dense insanity. I now have doubts about it being a poison. Maybe if we had stayed under RDA limits we would be good but no need to completely cut out. In season people always ate high VA fruits like watermelon, mango ect.
So I don't know how dangerous fish oil is
I will try and let yoh guys know
Are skin concerns your main/only issue? Acne, eczema...? If acne, I’m not sure that VA is the only culprit. I do believe there is a big genetic factor here. My husband is a dermatologist so we talk skin a lot! (I suffer from eczema)
I am also not sold on “detox symptoms”. But I do believe this is a very long road in trying to undo whatever damage has been done.
My friend was competing in body building and his trainer put him basically on a fish diet! haha... I mean he did eat other things too, but fish was his main food. I eat a baked fish dinner and a tuna lunch each week. When out: scallops or lobster. There are other things in fish besides just the omega threes that are extremely helpful. Pollution? We have to live on this planet.
Regarding the detox word... We're going through the process of undoing a fat-soluble vitamin overload. It could take a long time. Others here have crunched the numbers and they can be discouraging.
Vitamin A is a harsh character. So, I suppose that is why the word "detox" fits. It's semantics, though, really.
I think things do "flare up" as they heal. Perhaps that is the nature of healing, often.
I personally like Ronnie's idea to open up his diet and not stay ultra-low VA for too long. Especially if he is avoiding some foods that could actually be helpful in other ways, such as butter or yolk.
I intend to slowly ramp up on what I allow myself to eat, maybe at about 6 months, no matter whether I'm done detoxing or not.
I never intend to eat high VA things again--especially orange veg or liver. Brocolli wouldn't be something I'd expend my VA budget on, why do that when there is cauliflower?
If I had a scary diagnosis -- like Grant's kidney -- I'd probably stay ultra-low.
Sometimes, with my skin, I wonder if some sort of secondary infection has set in. I suppose that could be true of other areas as well. For example jock itch, sinus infections, chronic inner ear infections, chronic UTI infections, under boobie rashes, toe fungus and so on.
For a while I was experimenting with swiping vinegar/water or h202/water solutions on my inflamed skin. I think it helped somewhat. In the past I've tried clay/water, borax/water. Right now, I'm just going for soap/water. Whatever a person does, though, I think it needs to be ULTRA GENTLE so that the body doesn't send in vitamin A to the rescue!