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gall bladder/and some estrogen thoughts
Hi!
Lately, there have been some conversations about bile problems.
Well, I'm sort of wondering what people here think will happen in a body that has had the gall bladder removed entirely.
(I'm not entirely sure how people without gall bladders manage along without them in the first place!)
***renamed the thread
All the people I know without gall bladders are obese, and they don't seem able to reverse it. Not sure if it is a correlation/causation situation though.
@davide I wonder if gall bladder problems are actually a sign of high VA. The two people I know who have their gall bladders removed are perhaps a bit overweight, but I wouldn't say they were overtly obese. But possibly people who are putting on fat in which to store VA?
From the google machine: "You can lead a perfectly normal life without a gallbladder. Your liver will still make enough bile to digest your food, but instead of being stored in the gallbladder, it drips continuously into your digestive system."
Interesting. I wonder if bile is still re-cycled in a person without a gall bladder. From a quick search I think it might.
I did find this quote: "gallbladder removal may actually lead to a higher long-term body mass index (BMI)." But again is it just correlation, and not causation?
It does also say that fat digestion may be more challenging after gall bladder removal. That people might have to consider smaller and more frequent meals. You know what, that is what I've been leaning toward anyways, (didn't really think about the fact that it might help my overloaded bile system)
My mind goes to stones. gall stones, kidney stones. Are these about the osteoperosis problems of high VA? Boney stuff not going where it should?
@lil-chick bad bile flow, production is estrogen related in most cases. That's why mostly woman have gallbladder removed.. Fat people have higher estrogen=more likely issues with liver and bile production.. I also have bile issues due to high estrogen from steroids..
@jiri, hey that is so interesting! Of my two people, one is male, one is female.
I didn't know that steroids caused high estrogen. My husband has had lots of steroids for his eczema over the course of his lifetime.
And I'm going through meno, and so some of my bile system overload could be about hormones for sure!
One thing that I have noticed is that when I loose weight, even just a little bit, my hot flashes get worse. I'm thinking estrogens are released. I wonder if also my bile system gets worse.
- Estradiol (E2): the most common type in women of childbearing age.
- Estriol (E3): the main estrogen during pregnancy.
- Estrone (E1): the only estrogen your body makes after menopause (when menstrual periods stop)
On another thread, just yesterday we were talking about "things that end in OL"
That they all go down the same detox pathways (the same ones as alcohol and aldehydes and VA)
(THE PLOT THICKENS)
I have not read @ggenereux2014 breast cancer book because I'm too much of a hypochondriac and I know it would keep me up at night, LOL. I apologize, Grant! However I'm wondering if he has already gone down this road (thinking that estrogen detox and VA detox might both be blocked by the same traffic jam in the VA-toxic)
we were talking about "OL" (alcohols) here
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/another-villain-tocotrienol/?part=3#postid-13540
Coffee is mentioned in @daniil post. I swear I have seen coffee avoidance mentioned in some lists on how to get rid of estrogen.
When I was about 17 I became a waitress and coffee was free and delivered to you the moment you sat down for break. Some of my problems did begin around that age when I became coffee addicted. Teeth problems for instance. My two gall bladder friends have had teeth problems too. But who hasn't? But then again, coffee is a rampant addiction.
OMG, when surfing around on whether coffee is a bad thing to drink if you are trying to detox estrogen, I found out that resveretrol (that thing that is supposed to be good for us in wine) is an estrogen! And there is that OL again... Good bye my addictions...
If it tastes good, spit it out.
My mind goes to the fact that we, in the west, have so much harder time with menopause than some other parts of the world.
My grandmother, (who I know you are probably very sick of hearing about) who ate a naturally low-VA diet, SAILED through meno. While my mother (who I suspect might be high-VA like me) had a rough time.
@lil-chick steroid cream is something different. I was injecting and taking in pill form anabolic steroids.. Things like testosterone, nandrolone, methandienone etc.. converte to estrogen IF you don't take antiestrogens..