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Grant's May 2022 Update
Haha, right on cue, Smith has now added a section to his site advocating for chlorine dioxide use, which he claims helps Vitamin A detox through the oxidation process...what say you, can we call that stupid?
There are plenty of other ways to encourage oxidation in the body without drinking chlorine dioxide! And I really don't think oxidation of Vitamin A is the bottleneck in getting Vitamin A out for most people anyway.
I spent a short time trying to find info on chlorine dioxide outside of what Smith linked to (a single free e-book written by...a nobody?). It is used in tiny amounts for disinfecting water (as a backpacker, I know that a single drop of bleach can be used to disinfect a good amount of untreated water, so there is certainly precedent for its use in tiny amounts). Apparently, it has been used by some in an attempt to treat Covid based on the purported success in using it to treat other viral and bacterial diseases. It sounds like a marketing scam that started with a random person named Jim Humble who founded the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing and started peddling a pre-cursor to chlorine dioxide (sodium chlorite) as a cure-all.
If it does have some beneficial effect on certain disease states, it sounds like the mechanism is similar to using high-dose Vitamin C (which, ironic as ever, Smith advises against) that essentially creates an inhospitable environment in the body that can wipe out pathogens, but which also does harm to the body at the same time. It sounds like chlorine dioxide treatment is basically chemotherapy. Very common side effects include diarrhea, nausea, and vomiting...hmmm.
One thing Smith deserves a shred of credit for is testing his ideas out on himself well before he advises anyone else to follow them...he said he's been drinking chlorine dioxide for 6 months now!
So he demonizes animal fat, tells people to completely avoid ketosis, claims that supplemental Vitamin E and Vitamin D are poisons, claims that potassium iodide is poison, but now recommends drinking chlorine dioxide on the daily even more than his precious lactoferrin? What word should we choose to describe this pattern of reasoning?
Oh, I didn't know he's on the MMS bandwagon now. I'm actually using the lactoferrin, it definitely stirs the pot. I've watched some videos on MMS before, claiming its miracles. But given the number of warnings about it, that's one thing I'm not going to try.
"So he demonizes animal fat, tells people to completely avoid ketosis, claims that supplemental Vitamin E and Vitamin D are poisons, claims that potassium iodide is poison"
Yeah, this is tough. The amount of contradictory information he puts out is hard for me to reconcile honestly. There are SO many youtube videos of people who benefitted significantly from VitD. And the same for people doing carnivore which he lambasts, or iodine, etc.
By the way, the idea that vitamin D is a rat poison is one of the reasons he says we shouldn't use it. I've looked into that. There is at least one doctor who did a youtube video talking about that. She said that the dose is the poison, and the dose for a rat is WAAAAY high compared to a dose needed for benefit in humans. I mean, water is a poison of sorts if you drink too much of it (hyponatremia).
What has your experience been with lactoferrin? What do you mean by "it stirs the pot"?
I'm still trying to figure out what exactly it is doing for people, because while I see that it certainly has medical application, I don't really see how it would help detox anything (except for possibly helping to rebalance the intestinal flora and thereby reduce beta-glucuronidase activity). Your body already produces its own lactoferrin, so it seems like supplementing it might just tip your body out of balance. I've tried using it (Life Extension formulation) and it seemed like it gave me wicked diarrhea, which I could never decide was bile acid diarrhea or Vitamin A diarrhea, but the literature I've seen suggests that it causes bile acid dumping, which makes me think it just causes unnecessary diarrhea without being productive in getting Vitamin A out.
Yes, the dose always makes the poison. Every nutrient, including Vitamin A, has some upper threshold of utility in the body, and most seem to follow a U-shaped curve with deficiency and toxicity on either end of the curve.
It makes me feel wonky, it's hard to explain.
Except to say that Dr. Smith warns people not to ramp up too quickly on it because it will increase bile dumping and therefor has the potential to release toxins into the bloodstream if the person has degrees of cholestasis. he said it's supposed to help repair the bile ducts and improve the ability of the body to release bile without it backing up into the bloodstream (and thus cause illness).
He also says it helps to rebalance the gut flora slowly over time, and also balance both copper and iron. He has people start at a very small dose, like a 5th of a capsule (if that much) and stay there for a month until the body adjusts, and you slowly increase the dose as you can tolerate it without causing unnecessary issues. I'm only at about 2 months and I guess that's still a bit early on, it's not a quick fix. But its core action is to help repair a cholestatic liver/gallbladder. That's how I understand it.
He said people would often experience head congestion and issues that seem like seasonal allergies ramping up which I have to some degree.
It looks like Dr. Smith did come “right on cue” to vindicate you. If you want to call his recent endorsement of the very dangerous and known toxin CD (chlorine dioxide) “stupid”, what can I say? I cannot support or defend him in this! I agree with you on this 100%!
For those who don’t know - Smith uploaded the module on CD about two days ago. Comments from different members started coming in the next day, expressing a range of confusion and concern. Smith did “damage control” via censorship by deleting comments and accounts, including mine, which wasn’t even a month old.
I am glad that you are talking about this and agree that someone like Smith being a doctor has the potential to hurt a lot of people by misleading them, potential he seems bent on realizing right now, which is worrisome. I will make a separate thread to share more. I and the other people whose comments and accounts got deleted feel very troubled that other members in his network might follow his dangerous advice.
I put my thoughts about the chlorine dioxide on the thread that Angel B. started
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/dangers-of-cd-chlorine-dioxide-mms/#postid-17626
First question: what makes you believe what you believe?
I see a bunch of skeptic believers.
Second question: What if Smith is right?
Show me the papers.
You probably haven't read anything about CD.
See my comment on the new CDS thread.
The burden is on Smith to show hard proof that the use of a substance with a low toxicity threshold can be used safely, and all he's offered is a free e-book published by a nobody. You are aware of the hippocratic oath that real doctors take, aren't you? Essentially, it is an ethical oath to first and foremost do no harm to the patient. Well, Smith isn't a physician and he seems to feel no need to abide by the hippocratic oath.
Most of what is available to read about CDS indicates that it is highly toxic.
I believe what I believe based on an objective weighing of all the available evidence I can find on a subject, and the only evidence that I see of CDS/MMS being safe or useful is coming from scammers (e.g. the originator of CDS/MMS, Jim Humble, ex-scientologist, ex-gold prospector, founder of the Genesis II Church), non-scientists, and non-MDs.
I would be more inclined to trust Dr. Smith if he weren't so conspiracy oriented. That's just an honest assessment.