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Heavy Metal Toxicity: Do Bentonite Clay / Diatomaceous Earth / Zeolite heal or harm?
Starting a new thread for anyone to share their thoughts on the problem of heavy metal toxicity!
- Have you had it?
- Have you healed from it?
- What is the safest way to detoxify if this is your issue?
- How does chronic hypervitaminosis A affect this problem?
- Do clays and suchlike contribute to heavy metal toxicity?
- Or do they help us detoxify heavy metals?
Prompted by:
Quote from Hermes on June 8, 2023, 2:13 pmBy the way, in a newsletter, Casey Krol, who runs truthaboutfluoride.com, published an article warning against the alternative fluoride-free toothpaste because some of them contain stuff that's not good either. So he mentioned bentonite clay, which is added to many of these fluoride free toothpastes, see what he has to say about it:
#4. Bentonite ClayWhen I released the results a few months ago,This shocked many people.But the different type of clays (bentonite, kaolin, and diatomaceous) all contain HUGE levels of aluminum and decent amounts of arsenic, lead and even titanium.This is the reason you see WARNING signs on boxes of clay. The SAME clay a lot of health products contain like toothpaste.If you are still supplementing with clay, it may not end well in the long run. I'm taking zeolite and wondering if aluminum is a problem there as well. Isn't it ironic, you want to do something good for yourself, go alternative and end up with other problems. There are so many stepping stones, like in a mideavel maze with traps, better watch every turn. So easy to end up more neurotic about food and supplements than before. Anyway, wanted to inform you about the potential problems with bentonite clay.
@christian Yeah, I stopped the bentonite partly because I got psyched out by the lead thing...I did take it for a few months, but if I recall correctly, I decided to set the dose pretty low (like a 1/4 teaspoon) to minimize the amount... And I forgot about taking the diatomaceous earth. 😅 I still have it, though, and should really do more research on it, especially considering since I got more cavities after I started it, which could be a lead issue? [1]
Unfortunately, I was exposed to lead and copper for several years due to hungry water and ancient water pipes in the house where I lived...
Which makes me wonder if when lead is leaving the body, does that cause specific negative symptoms? How does that work? Something I should research, maybe.
Would be helpful if there were more studies on this stuff! I totally commiserate with you on your fantasy fiction analogy, man...we’re dealing with some real confusing problems all right! Lol. 😅😭 Lots to learn.
How do you feel on the zeolite?
I have read a few articles suggesting these earth powders help the body detoxify heavy metals, which made me think the lead concern was fear-mongering... But it’s really not worth taking the chance of giving yourself more problems to fix (unless you’re desperate, which I guess I kind of was).
Rats getting 5% diatomaceous earth in their feed showed no toxic effects over a 90 day period, but they did gain weight without increasing silica in any significant amount in their livers or kidneys. [2]
A review suggests: “Generally, it seems that bentonite is a reliable treatment for metal poisoning.” [3]
Anecdotally, my cat pukes up her food if we neglect to mix charcoal and diatomaceous earth into it, and her fur has become glossier since so doing. Seems to work for her.
Sources:
1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2790506/
2. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0041008X64900699
Here are some older videos of Ed Kane, who, at one point dealt with heavy metal toxicity. I keep meaning to try this approach but have not yet.
@pattycake Thanks so much, lady! I look forward to listening to these soon. 🙂
I regret taking diatomaceous earth. I thought I needed some silica.. so I made the DE water and after a couple days taking it I started to get lots of small bumps/pimples/ rash on my belly and back and the skin was all bumpy, and kinda itchy too. Its a couple months ago but I still have the bumps, aaarghhh. Its a little better but it just want go away. IDK what it stirred up in my body but it was way too much. It seems to move a little bit, the bumps, now I have some on my chest too and they kinda come and go but they stay sooo long before they heal. Could be detox from bean protocol too as I have eaten beans all the way. And eggs too. Maybe the sun also makes it worse as I am a LOT in the sun. But I love the sun so I just rather have bumps than stay out of the sun. I am hoping they will go away soon....
When I think about it, it is probably a human thing to ingest microscopic amounts of clay since it was present in surface water (say from the beds of ponds, streams and rivers) and in primitive clay vessels. Now that we drink out of deep wells or storage tanks and water bottles, maybe we don't get traces amounts of clay anymore. I've heard it said that it was "impossible" to get sick from water stored in specific clay vessels in India. Not quite remembering that story though. But in all cases you would be getting only traces of clay, not anywhere near the amounts people take.
I used to take clay hoping it would help my vomiting attacks, but it really didn't-- so I gave it up. (ginger didn't help either)
I think it's probably fine to apply clay to the skin, when I was a teen and my skin was better I used to do clay facials; now it feels too rough. My rocacea skin is too delicate for that. We sometimes walk barefoot through clay on vacation (it appears naturally one of the places that we like to go). It feels nice, not scary at all (IMO). I think it isn't any more harmful than exposing your skin to any other soil of the earth.
As for the mouth, hmmm... I've most recently been trying charcoal toothpastes, and I could swear someone from Nepal once told me it is used there for that.
I do get "the ick" on toothpastes quite often. I get "the ick" on lots of modern things though, and I'm not always sure if my instincts are right. I've currently got "the ick" on Q-tips (cotton swabs), and wonder if they actually irritate my eyes due to something used to make them such as pesticides, bleach, detergent, glue or some combo.
Such a toxic world, LOL. We are in a race with time to live our lives before we get poisoned! 😉
edited to add: I once thought my cat had fleas and put D.E. all over him and instantly regretted it. However, I think it did work. Maybe next time I'd just dust his sleeping area. I have also dusted my chicken coops. I've never fed it to anyone human or animal.
Quote from lil chick on June 12, 2023, 3:50 pmWhen I think about it, it is probably a human thing to ingest microscopic amounts of clay since it was present in surface water (say from the beds of ponds, streams and rivers) and in primitive clay vessels. Now that we drink out of deep wells or storage tanks and water bottles, maybe we don't get traces amounts of clay anymore. I've heard it said that it was "impossible" to get sick from water stored in specific clay vessels in India. Not quite remembering that story though. But in all cases you would be getting only traces of clay, not anywhere near the amounts people take.
I used to take clay hoping it would help my vomiting attacks, but it really didn't-- so I gave it up. (ginger didn't help either)
I think it's probably fine to apply clay to the skin, when I was a teen and my skin was better I used to do clay facials; now it feels too rough. My rocacea skin is too delicate for that. We sometimes walk barefoot through clay on vacation (it appears naturally one of the places that we like to go). It feels nice, not scary at all (IMO). I think it isn't any more harmful than exposing your skin to any other soil of the earth.
As for the mouth, hmmm... I've most recently been trying charcoal toothpastes, and I could swear someone from Nepal once told me it is used there for that.
I do get "the ick" on toothpastes quite often. I get "the ick" on lots of modern things though, and I'm not always sure if my instincts are right. I've currently got "the ick" on Q-tips (cotton swabs), and wonder if they actually irritate my eyes due to something used to make them such as pesticides, bleach, detergent, glue or some combo.
Such a toxic world, LOL. We are in a race with time to live our lives before we get poisoned! 😉
edited to add: I once thought my cat had fleas and put D.E. all over him and instantly regretted it. However, I think it did work. Maybe next time I'd just dust his sleeping area. I have also dusted my chicken coops. I've never fed it to anyone human or animal.
I think the DE dust isnt a good idea because its very dangerous to breath the dust.... it can give very bad lung disease...
I do wash my hair with Ghassul clay since at least 15 years every day and I love that. My hair does not like shampoo at all. I have very fine hair. Scandinavian. I wash with Ghassul and rinse with river water added some seasalt and ACV.
I brush with Meine Base mineral salt mix (a German brand, awesome) and my teeth like that very much. I take just a tiny tiny amount on my wet toothbrush. I dont like toothpaste either 🙂
@pattycake I watched Ed’s lecture and loved it! 😁 The part I liked best was how he’d developed a method of utilizing one’s own tastebuds to guide the process of mineral restoration. That’s one of my biases: that ultimately our taste buds are our friends (even though Unique Hammond thinks they are ass*oles, lol, which I suppose they can be when dysregulated).
When I first used a liquid zinc supplement many years ago it tasted quite sweet, and blood testing confirmed I was deficient.
My old naturopath encouraged tasting supplements. If the body grew to like the taste, it was okay to continue taking the supplement. But if the body increasingly disliked it, something was “off.”
One question: why don’t they include calcium and iron?
The water I drank growing up was distilled. My cousins who grew up on a farm with water full of minerals (including calcium) had strong teeth, but my siblings and I would get cavities. In summertime, I liked to drink the hose water outside that hadn’t been through the distiller...it tasted more thirst-quenching and like proper water, I felt. 😂 The distilled water would’ve been better, I think, if minerals had been added back into it.
Please let me know how the BodyBio minerals go if you try them! 🙂 I’ll put them on my list of “stuff to try at some point,” too.
@inger That’s cool you use clay to wash your hair! And river-water...sounds fairy-like! 😊✨
I’m the same as @lil-chick, and tend to get “the ick” towards lots of products, too... Sometimes I feel like it’s just an innate tendency my personality has (and why I was susceptible to developing OCD back in the day) or something, but leftovers in plastic containers have a horrible taste to me...and the smell and texture of q-tips are awful, lol!
Apparently William Morris, a leader of the Arts and Crafts Movement, had part of his fortune in arsenic mining... So when doctors and scientists started sounding the alarm over the suspected health hazard presented by arsenic green wallpaper, he scoffed at their “witches fever.” The outgassing of these “natural” wallpapers, designed with uplifting moral ideals of reverence for the beauty of creation and enjoyment of the simple things in life, actually killed people:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/victorian-wallpaper-got-its-gaudy-colors-poison-180962709/
Our interior air quality is much better than it was 200 years ago.
Makes ya wonder what our biggest blindspots might be today!
I’d wager on pesticides and herbicides, especially with this recent trend of desiccating crops with glyphosate. The effect such practices are having on the soil microbes and our own gut microbiome are likely more detrimental than we know. And they harm the mineral balance in both environments, too...
I am intrigued lately by the idea of soap, so instead of clay I personally leave soap or toothpaste on my areas I want detoxed such as teeth, gums, underarms etc. I try to count to 100 before I rinse.
Bile is sort of the soap of the body. I wonder if soap, detergents etc can help us take an external layer of VA-infused cells away. I wonder if my avoidance of these in the past might have been a wrong move.
I know I wrote about this idea pretty early on in my musings here. But recently a video came up in my feed about "old person smell" and how leaving soap on for longer can help with it. Is "old person smell" somehow related to the VA (and other) toxicity common at the end of a lifetime of exposure?
@itsme,
no I dont brush my teeth with the salt. I sometimes have done it though, so it is possible. But I would use only a tiny amount, its pretty strong. I just brush my teeth now with a German brand fluoride free toothpaste, I am happy with it at the moment. My teeth are doing very well and are strong and healthy. I wonder if nutrition plays a role too. Sugar was never good for my teeth, fruit was horrible. Acids too. Maybe your body have some nutrition deficiency?
My hair looks horrible when I wash it with shampoo, that is when I need a lot of other products (which I dont want) to make it nice. Its so thin and wild lol