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Humans could go extinct - infertility crisis

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Quote from Judy on August 31, 2021, 2:13 pm

I don't think reducing fertility is deliberate as many countries are now trying to increase their population because the younger generation can't support the retirees. Social Security is like a pyramid scheme--you need increasingly more people at the bottom. China recently changed their one-child policy because it wasn't working, although it did help to slow population growth.  

A major reason for the reduced fertility rate is the amount of hormone disrupting chemicals and foods in our modern world. Flax, for example, contains more estrogen than any plant food and it is currently considered a miracle food by the plant-based diet advocates. If you buy commercial products, it is hard to avoid. Estrogen is the plant's defense mechanism against predator's (like us) who would eat its seeds. It causes miscarriages in females and deformities in the genitals of male babies, in addition to many other side effects (including hot flashes and man boobs.) The plant is saying, "you eat my babies, I will kill yours." 

Some widely used plastics are also hormone disruptors, as are fertilizers and petroleum products. I also wonder if it is affecting gender identity; newborns are naturally supposed to be exposed to their mother's hormones during birth and nursing, but now they are in their environment, their food, pacifiers, toys, etc.

I don't eat plant estrogens, personally. And I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but you do realize there's phytoestrogen in beans right? And a lot of people on here eat those. I haven't been entirely convinced by the research that phytoestrogens are bad for us. Because there is research showing that soy and flax reduce cancer, and prevent it. I think phytoestrogen acts like a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modifier in the body. "A SERM is essentially the ideal when it comes to the estrogen in our bodies, helping the growth of healthy cells in our bones, brains, and more, and denying the cell proliferation in the areas where certain cancers may take root. Data has actually emerged suggesting that soy might actually act as more of a SERM (the good), rather than an estrogen (the bad)."

Now when you eat dairy, because you're consuming a mammal's milk, and getting estrogen from that milk, I think that is 100 percent biologically active in the body. Especially now that they have GMO cows that lactate even during pregnancy, when they aren't supposed to because the estrogen is sky high in their bodies. 

All that said, I would not consume flax. And have never done well with it. But if I ate beans I would definitely be researching what you're saying further. 

Source: https://www.drchristianson.com/breaking-research-soy-foods-and-breast-cancer/

I think this planning to reduce humanity was started around the creation of the Club of Rome in 1968 and them commissioning the report "Limits to Growth" published in 1972 but already discussed in 1971. The Club of Rome was created by David Rockefeller (infamous Rockefeller heir), Aurelio Peccei (Italian industrialist) and Alexander King (Scottish scientist).

"The Limits to Growth (LTG) is a 1972 report[1] on the exponential economic and population growth with a finite supply of resources, studied by computer simulation.[2] Commissioned by the Club of Rome, the findings of the study were first presented at international gatherings in Moscow and Rio de Janeiro in the summer of 1971."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

I believe Club of Rome also commissioned medical studies on how to hamper the human detox system. That is why I believe there are probably many interesting medical studies about this, from some time after the creation of the Club of Rome, to be found in these older medical journals.

This also coincides with the introduction of the pure toxin that is glyphosate and its repurposed use as a herbicide after originally been used to clean dirty pipes from metal build-up.

"1970: Glyphosate was discovered to be a herbicide (weedkiller) by Monsanto scientist John Franz and was patented as such.

1974: Monsanto brought glyphosate to market in 1974 under the trade name Roundup."

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/short-history-glyphosate

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@ggenereux2014 Have you considered doing a sperm quality test? VA is thought to be necessary for healthy sperm production, it would be interesting given your age and diet

apologies if this is too personal a question 

Hi @kurtis,

No I haven't considered doing that, and I won't. I'm 61 yo and have had my children.

VA is well known to be a serious fertility toxin, and to quite effectively atrophy and eventually destroy the testicles. So, there is no way in hell for it to be necessary for healthy sperm production. I consider that myth to be just more garbage science and BS pharma propaganda.

 

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Understandable, once i've depleted my stores of VA i'll do it myself, considering it's relevant to me having not had kids yet.

It's also a sticking point against the idea that dietary PUFAs aren't essential which is popular nowadays, a metabolite of linoleic acid is thought to be necessary for testicle growth and hormone production, yet nobody on the Ray Peat Forum have actually depleted their body stores of PUFA to test the hypothesis when it's a central idea to Ray Peat's writing, neither has Ray Peat himself. I put more stake in the idea that VA is unnecessary than PUFA regardless.

Here's a new video presentation on this topic.

The author, Shanna H. Swan, Ph.D, states that there's been a ~ 60% drop in the average male sperm count from 1973 to 2011.

Interesting that the Kissinger report  referenced early was prepared in 1974.

Is it a coincidence? I think not.

 

 

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We obviously get poisoned. There is no doubt in my mind.

The elites have talked about it for a long time that they want to reduce the world population. This is probably the most "humane" way that they have found to reach their goal.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Simone_Voice/status/1406641103697240067/photo/1

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Simone_Voice/status/1406643264028041217/photo/1

 

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Quote from Max on November 5, 2021, 7:25 am

We obviously get poisoned. There is no doubt in my mind.

The elites have talked about it for a long time that they want to reduce the world population. This is probably the most "humane" way that they have found to reach their goal.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Simone_Voice/status/1406641103697240067/photo/1

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Simone_Voice/status/1406643264028041217/photo/1

 

"don't take it and you are ripe for culling" what did he mean by this? That it's better to take it now? Sorry I don't use twitter.

Quote from Kurtis on October 4, 2021, 4:20 pm

@ggenereux2014

Understandable, once i've depleted my stores of VA i'll do it myself, considering it's relevant to me having not had kids yet.

It's also a sticking point against the idea that dietary PUFAs aren't essential which is popular nowadays, a metabolite of linoleic acid is thought to be necessary for testicle growth and hormone production, yet nobody on the Ray Peat Forum have actually depleted their body stores of PUFA to test the hypothesis when it's a central idea to Ray Peat's writing, neither has Ray Peat himself. I put more stake in the idea that VA is unnecessary than PUFA regardless.

What metabolite are you talking about?

Is there anything other then the low vitamin A diet that would be helpful in increasing testosterone? And fighting off phthalates, BPA and other chemicals?

In the video above with Shanna Swan she also mentions how phthalates leave the body within four to six hours. So not being exposed to them is one way to take care of yourself. It might not always be possible because all these substances are ubiquitous. I'm thinking about reducing mineral water consumption from PET bottles. Buying secondhand clothes is another idea that comes to mind to decrease the phthalates exposure.

I've heard of vitamin E binding with phytoestrogens, maybe also with BPA and phthalates?

Anyway, the story in this video is really concerning. A 59 % decrease in sperm count is huge, and when I look into the future considering vaccines and more and more electro magnetic fields, I'm not very hopeful we'll be able to create the environment again that was once beneficial to human fertility (and to the fertility of animals). The question if we eventually go extinct isn't even a dystopian sci-fi fantasy anymore but very real.

PS: The anogenital distance as a marker for human fertility is so ingenious, I haven't heard about it before: The lower the distance between the anus and the penis, the less fertile the person will be later in life. Really fascinating that such a simple metric would have such profound predictive power.

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