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Is this the right approach? Doubts arising.
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Jiří on September 28, 2021, 10:46 am
@orion I do mainly serum tests now. For ceruloplasmin, copper, ferritin and maybe hormone panel. It shows copper dump for example or if ceruloplasmin is low you know your liver/adrenals have hard time.. I would love to do vit A blood test, but labs here don't do this tests lol.. But I don't worry about vit A. I simply stay away from all high or moderate vit A foods forever that's for sure. Copper is bigger problem.. Mercury toxicity from amalgams should be better with time when I no longer have amalgams and take selenium. That should slowly lower mercury.. I don't get flu often. Now I have one. So hopefully things are moving again. Immune system is better.. Maybe it's because I started taking glutamine again which is key amino acid for immune system. But it can be neurotoxic and I have really racing mind. But who knows if it's from copper or glutamine.. I should do blood test, but I have no free time for it in the morning... Fortunately I am done with my job in 2 months. I simply can't handle full time job now. It's crazy stress for me and I don't need the money anyway.. I am stupid because I burn myself every summer by riding bikes.. I burn my adrenals and then I can't chelate copper and then I crash. I am at that stage now I think.. I said it before I need to move somewhere close to beach and ocean away from EMF. To just relax, soak the minerals from the ocean and vit D.. It will end up badly if I will not do it ASAP... Here in that apartment building with big towers above my head I can't relax and my brain is fried lol.. I have some money from that job I am doing now. I should really move somewhere even if I do nothing just be away from EMF towers, stress free just walking on the beach all day and eating some rice with ground beef or at least move on some farm. Work so I can stay there and have some money on food. Be outside in nature all day away from EMF... That is more realistic plan for me here in Czech Republic... I feel like only big change like that can help me and I think it is the case for many people. Just diet or other supplements etc.. can't fix bad environment.. Btw do you know what is fucked up? I know riding bike is not good for me and I would love to spend ALL my money on new full carbon road bike so I can completely kill myself. That's how fucked up I am.. hehe
@orion I do mainly serum tests now. For ceruloplasmin, copper, ferritin and maybe hormone panel. It shows copper dump for example or if ceruloplasmin is low you know your liver/adrenals have hard time.. I would love to do vit A blood test, but labs here don't do this tests lol.. But I don't worry about vit A. I simply stay away from all high or moderate vit A foods forever that's for sure. Copper is bigger problem.. Mercury toxicity from amalgams should be better with time when I no longer have amalgams and take selenium. That should slowly lower mercury.. I don't get flu often. Now I have one. So hopefully things are moving again. Immune system is better.. Maybe it's because I started taking glutamine again which is key amino acid for immune system. But it can be neurotoxic and I have really racing mind. But who knows if it's from copper or glutamine.. I should do blood test, but I have no free time for it in the morning... Fortunately I am done with my job in 2 months. I simply can't handle full time job now. It's crazy stress for me and I don't need the money anyway.. I am stupid because I burn myself every summer by riding bikes.. I burn my adrenals and then I can't chelate copper and then I crash. I am at that stage now I think.. I said it before I need to move somewhere close to beach and ocean away from EMF. To just relax, soak the minerals from the ocean and vit D.. It will end up badly if I will not do it ASAP... Here in that apartment building with big towers above my head I can't relax and my brain is fried lol.. I have some money from that job I am doing now. I should really move somewhere even if I do nothing just be away from EMF towers, stress free just walking on the beach all day and eating some rice with ground beef or at least move on some farm. Work so I can stay there and have some money on food. Be outside in nature all day away from EMF... That is more realistic plan for me here in Czech Republic... I feel like only big change like that can help me and I think it is the case for many people. Just diet or other supplements etc.. can't fix bad environment.. Btw do you know what is fucked up? I know riding bike is not good for me and I would love to spend ALL my money on new full carbon road bike so I can completely kill myself. That's how fucked up I am.. hehe
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Orion on September 28, 2021, 11:08 am
@jiri did a bunch of biking this summer too, also while camping, so much fun, been awhile since I got on the bike for long rides.
Hey, so for lowering copper, the best approach is always just low copper foods? and no exercise to keep adrenals calm?
Got my mercury amalgams out about 10yrs ago, and have used a lot of selenium over the years, so I don't think it would be an issue anymore either. Donate blood couple times a year, so I think iron levels should be ok.
@jiri did a bunch of biking this summer too, also while camping, so much fun, been awhile since I got on the bike for long rides.
Hey, so for lowering copper, the best approach is always just low copper foods? and no exercise to keep adrenals calm?
Got my mercury amalgams out about 10yrs ago, and have used a lot of selenium over the years, so I don't think it would be an issue anymore either. Donate blood couple times a year, so I think iron levels should be ok.
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Jiří on September 28, 2021, 11:27 am
@orion if you have good bile flow. You should eliminate copper that your body doesn't need. But in my case it is not happening.. I would love to go bikepacking. So easy riding with sleeping in nature etc.. But I think because I have all this anxious energy I go always full gas for hours to the point of complete exhaustion and only after that I can somewhat "relax". I think it's very typical behavior for copper toxicity.. I need to at least buy heart rate monitor. So hopefully when I see my HT crazy high I will slow down.. Riding bike in aerobic zone with 120-140 bpm is not so damaging to the body.. But when I go really hard I create crazy amounts of oxidative stress.. That is not good.. Yeah blood donation. I will also do it if my ferritin will by high. I want to keep it under 100 for sure..
@orion if you have good bile flow. You should eliminate copper that your body doesn't need. But in my case it is not happening.. I would love to go bikepacking. So easy riding with sleeping in nature etc.. But I think because I have all this anxious energy I go always full gas for hours to the point of complete exhaustion and only after that I can somewhat "relax". I think it's very typical behavior for copper toxicity.. I need to at least buy heart rate monitor. So hopefully when I see my HT crazy high I will slow down.. Riding bike in aerobic zone with 120-140 bpm is not so damaging to the body.. But when I go really hard I create crazy amounts of oxidative stress.. That is not good.. Yeah blood donation. I will also do it if my ferritin will by high. I want to keep it under 100 for sure..
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Moebius on September 28, 2021, 12:01 pm
Jiri, are you taking bile salts? A naturopath friend told me up to 3 pills per day, as long as you are also walking.
Jiri, are you taking bile salts? A naturopath friend told me up to 3 pills per day, as long as you are also walking.
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Jiří on September 28, 2021, 12:19 pm
@davidw was taking from Jarrow and also TUDCA. Nothing worked. Now I am taking digestive enzymes with meals and some choline bitartrate. So if there is some fatty liver it should help..
@davidw was taking from Jarrow and also TUDCA. Nothing worked. Now I am taking digestive enzymes with meals and some choline bitartrate. So if there is some fatty liver it should help..
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Gonzalo on September 26, 2021, 10:08 am
(my diet is zero or very low vitamin A since I only eat beef, I do not think there are relevant quantities in the fat).
bad assumption
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Gonzalo on September 26, 2021, 10:08 am
(my diet is zero or very low vitamin A since I only eat beef, I do not think there are relevant quantities in the fat).
bad assumption
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Даниил on October 19, 2021, 3:13 am
Another thought I have about a low VA diet is that when you eliminate one dietary toxin, your body can adjust over time and deal with other toxins. I think the main toxins are vitamin A, vitamin B6 and PUFA. As well as oxalates, gluten tocotrienols, etc. I think this is the reason why the improvement from a low VA diet can come after many years of dieting. Your body is just adapting to other toxins. And absolutely safe food really does not exist. But there are worsest food, such as liver, oils high in PUFA and carotenoid vegetables
Another thought I have about a low VA diet is that when you eliminate one dietary toxin, your body can adjust over time and deal with other toxins. I think the main toxins are vitamin A, vitamin B6 and PUFA. As well as oxalates, gluten tocotrienols, etc. I think this is the reason why the improvement from a low VA diet can come after many years of dieting. Your body is just adapting to other toxins. And absolutely safe food really does not exist. But there are worsest food, such as liver, oils high in PUFA and carotenoid vegetables
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Rudi on October 30, 2021, 4:53 pm
I don't think Accutane toxicity and plain old hyper VA should be lumped together. If I understand the theory correctly, it's not always possible to recover from Accutane poisoning because the toxin might have exhausted your body's healing capacity. Accutane already destroyed your epithelium, stem cells, and wreaked havoc on your organs and tissues through metaplasia. Indeed, I can't see how going low VA is going to help you with these problems. If you've used Accutane, I don't even think it's a given that your liver is full of VA. So the mechanism by which low VA detoxes those who are hyper VA may simply not apply to you.
On other hand, Accutane side effects are a sober reminder to those who are loaded with retinol as to what can happen if they just let it all convert to RA.
I don't think Accutane toxicity and plain old hyper VA should be lumped together. If I understand the theory correctly, it's not always possible to recover from Accutane poisoning because the toxin might have exhausted your body's healing capacity. Accutane already destroyed your epithelium, stem cells, and wreaked havoc on your organs and tissues through metaplasia. Indeed, I can't see how going low VA is going to help you with these problems. If you've used Accutane, I don't even think it's a given that your liver is full of VA. So the mechanism by which low VA detoxes those who are hyper VA may simply not apply to you.
On other hand, Accutane side effects are a sober reminder to those who are loaded with retinol as to what can happen if they just let it all convert to RA.
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@rudi
Is there a viable alternative to eliminating large stores of retinol that doesn't involve converting it to retinoic acid? I thought that was a necessary step to getting it out of the liver and into the bile or urine. I just woke up from a nap, so maybe I'm having a brain fart...
@rudi
Is there a viable alternative to eliminating large stores of retinol that doesn't involve converting it to retinoic acid? I thought that was a necessary step to getting it out of the liver and into the bile or urine. I just woke up from a nap, so maybe I'm having a brain fart...
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tim on October 30, 2021, 8:03 pm
@rudi
If someone that has taken Accutane doesn't have Hypervitaminosis A then it may be best to just follow a low-moderate vitamin A diet. Hypervitaminosis A is common though and if they have it then they will benefit from a low vitamin A diet. Elevated levels of all-trans-retinoic acid and 13-cis-retinoic acid produced from the metabolism of vitamin A in the diet and from liver stores makes it harder for the physiology that was injured by Accutane to heal. If one normalizes those levels through following a low vitamin A diet that will hopefully assist with healing.
@rudi
If someone that has taken Accutane doesn't have Hypervitaminosis A then it may be best to just follow a low-moderate vitamin A diet. Hypervitaminosis A is common though and if they have it then they will benefit from a low vitamin A diet. Elevated levels of all-trans-retinoic acid and 13-cis-retinoic acid produced from the metabolism of vitamin A in the diet and from liver stores makes it harder for the physiology that was injured by Accutane to heal. If one normalizes those levels through following a low vitamin A diet that will hopefully assist with healing.
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