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Liver is possibly healthy and why supplements aren't always bad
Quote from tim on January 4, 2020, 8:30 pm@judy
I don't doubt that it benefits marathon runners. Almost no man wants to look like a marathon runner though and it isn't a healthy sport.
Interesting that it gives an advantage to divers.
I think it is misleading for the author to mention LeBron James as though he follows a low carb or ketogenic diet all the time. I looked him up and it said he uses it for a few weeks at a time to lose weight. Benefits for marathon runners are a far cry from it benefiting athletes in sports such as basketball, sprinting, boxing, rugby etc.
I don't doubt that it benefits marathon runners. Almost no man wants to look like a marathon runner though and it isn't a healthy sport.
Interesting that it gives an advantage to divers.
I think it is misleading for the author to mention LeBron James as though he follows a low carb or ketogenic diet all the time. I looked him up and it said he uses it for a few weeks at a time to lose weight. Benefits for marathon runners are a far cry from it benefiting athletes in sports such as basketball, sprinting, boxing, rugby etc.
Quote from lil chick on January 5, 2020, 8:48 amAtkins died at 72. My parents are still alive at 78, 80. Two of my grandparents lived well into their nineties. These people (of European descent) ate carbs... I have a very close friend who is Asian, raised on lots of rice and beans and just a picture of health with straight white teeth.
I totally get that people suspect that something is wrong with their diet, and we know at least one thing (VA)...And it could be that OTHER peoples (for instance the Inuit) would do great on low carb.
I also wonder, if you are brought up from a pup on carbs, and your heart, circulation etc is all developed and has grown to rely on that extra 5 pounds of fluid, and you take it away, is that why afib results? (even after the electrolytes are restored).
Of course, everyone gets hooked when they see those 5 pounds melt off.
I wonder if Inuit women keep cycling on ultra low carb, while European women (like me) stop. To me, that would be a very good sign that it is healthy for one, and not the other.
Atkins died at 72. My parents are still alive at 78, 80. Two of my grandparents lived well into their nineties. These people (of European descent) ate carbs... I have a very close friend who is Asian, raised on lots of rice and beans and just a picture of health with straight white teeth.
I totally get that people suspect that something is wrong with their diet, and we know at least one thing (VA)...And it could be that OTHER peoples (for instance the Inuit) would do great on low carb.
I also wonder, if you are brought up from a pup on carbs, and your heart, circulation etc is all developed and has grown to rely on that extra 5 pounds of fluid, and you take it away, is that why afib results? (even after the electrolytes are restored).
Of course, everyone gets hooked when they see those 5 pounds melt off.
I wonder if Inuit women keep cycling on ultra low carb, while European women (like me) stop. To me, that would be a very good sign that it is healthy for one, and not the other.
Quote from lil chick on January 5, 2020, 9:00 amCow, pig and chicken breeds differ in their ability to flourish on grass/free range. Some (older) breeds can manage it (low carb breeds?). Many modern breeds (higher carb breeds?) actually need some grain to produce. I'm thinking its genetic --the amount of carbs you need.
Cow, pig and chicken breeds differ in their ability to flourish on grass/free range. Some (older) breeds can manage it (low carb breeds?). Many modern breeds (higher carb breeds?) actually need some grain to produce. I'm thinking its genetic --the amount of carbs you need.
Quote from Jiří on March 23, 2020, 4:08 amQuote from Judy on January 4, 2020, 4:53 pmQuote from tim on January 3, 2020, 10:08 pmHi Judy,
Thanks for your reply.
Stanley only endorsed eating liver very occasionally. He said that he would sometimes go without it for two years at a time. I think he did consume butter and eggs though.
Glucose is present regardless of if it is present in the diet or not though. In a healthy person excess glucose doesn't hang around for long. If we don't eat any then making glucose from protein creates waste products that are an unnecessary stress on the body. Also the liver has to work harder producing glucose from protein than if it didn't have to which is why Inuit had larger than normal livers. It is very simple for the body to absorb glucose and then store it as glycogen. Perhaps some people are genetically more suited to very low carbohydrate diets but I really don't see it as optimal based on how our physiology works. If it was optimal for energy and strength then it would be adopted by the best athletes because athletes need every advantage they can get.
Keto is actually becoming very popular with athletes. Carb loading is passé. You can only store about 2,000 calories of glycogen, the storage form of starch/sugar. When you have used it up, you hit the wall and have to have a sugary drink like Gatorade to keep going. Those who are adapted to burning fat for fuel can run marathons using only their stores of body fat.
Stephen Phinney – who co-authored “The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living” with his colleague, Jeff Volek – has spent decades studying the effects of a low-carb, high-fat diet in endurance athletes. Phinney’s work, along with a growing body of research, suggests that the human body can sustain high-intensity workouts for longer periods of time by using calories stored as fat, not the glycogen stores that most runners use that are loaded with tons of carbs and sugar before a race. “Keto-adapted athletes aren’t just telling us, they’re demonstrating this: Their recovery time is incredibly fast… More professional athletes, including LeBron James, Lindsey Vonn and Carmelo Anthony, are learning the benefits of a low-carb diet,” which makes him just a little grateful that his extensive research is finally starting to hit the mainstream. He says, “I’m kind of getting released from academic Siberia…” https://nypost.com/2018/03/19/heres-how-to-crush-a-race-by-running-on-a-keto-diet/
One more advantage, that I mentioned in my post here: https://www.carbwarscookbooks.com/eureka/ is that you don’t need as much oxygen on a low-carb diet. From the Washington Times: “The military is looking into a ketogenic diet for Navy Seals so they can stay underwater longer (they need to breathe less on keto because less carbon dioxide builds up in their blood).”
This is all nice, but 99,9999% of all athetes in all sports are performing on burning glucose. Like it or not ketosis is survival mechanism for the human body and glucose is the rocket fuel. Most people have issues with high blood sugar because they are fat, inactive, they don't have muscles to store muscle glycogen, their liver is always full of glycogen from high fructose consumption and their insulin doesn't work because theyh ave blood and all receptors full of fatty acids.. If you are not fat, if you are active, if you have muscles that are hungry for glycogen, if you don't drink 4L of soda every day, if you don't eat fried foods high in inflammatory omega 6 fats, if you have good diet with micronutrients like zinc, magnesium, chromium, B vitamins, choline etc. etc.. You can eat your whole food sources of carbs and be healthy full of energy with no diabetes, glycation etc.. So be more open minded it is not black and white like you think...
Quote from Judy on January 4, 2020, 4:53 pmQuote from tim on January 3, 2020, 10:08 pmHi Judy,
Thanks for your reply.
Stanley only endorsed eating liver very occasionally. He said that he would sometimes go without it for two years at a time. I think he did consume butter and eggs though.
Glucose is present regardless of if it is present in the diet or not though. In a healthy person excess glucose doesn't hang around for long. If we don't eat any then making glucose from protein creates waste products that are an unnecessary stress on the body. Also the liver has to work harder producing glucose from protein than if it didn't have to which is why Inuit had larger than normal livers. It is very simple for the body to absorb glucose and then store it as glycogen. Perhaps some people are genetically more suited to very low carbohydrate diets but I really don't see it as optimal based on how our physiology works. If it was optimal for energy and strength then it would be adopted by the best athletes because athletes need every advantage they can get.
Keto is actually becoming very popular with athletes. Carb loading is passé. You can only store about 2,000 calories of glycogen, the storage form of starch/sugar. When you have used it up, you hit the wall and have to have a sugary drink like Gatorade to keep going. Those who are adapted to burning fat for fuel can run marathons using only their stores of body fat.
Stephen Phinney – who co-authored “The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living” with his colleague, Jeff Volek – has spent decades studying the effects of a low-carb, high-fat diet in endurance athletes. Phinney’s work, along with a growing body of research, suggests that the human body can sustain high-intensity workouts for longer periods of time by using calories stored as fat, not the glycogen stores that most runners use that are loaded with tons of carbs and sugar before a race. “Keto-adapted athletes aren’t just telling us, they’re demonstrating this: Their recovery time is incredibly fast… More professional athletes, including LeBron James, Lindsey Vonn and Carmelo Anthony, are learning the benefits of a low-carb diet,” which makes him just a little grateful that his extensive research is finally starting to hit the mainstream. He says, “I’m kind of getting released from academic Siberia…” https://nypost.com/2018/03/19/heres-how-to-crush-a-race-by-running-on-a-keto-diet/
One more advantage, that I mentioned in my post here: https://www.carbwarscookbooks.com/eureka/ is that you don’t need as much oxygen on a low-carb diet. From the Washington Times: “The military is looking into a ketogenic diet for Navy Seals so they can stay underwater longer (they need to breathe less on keto because less carbon dioxide builds up in their blood).”
This is all nice, but 99,9999% of all athetes in all sports are performing on burning glucose. Like it or not ketosis is survival mechanism for the human body and glucose is the rocket fuel. Most people have issues with high blood sugar because they are fat, inactive, they don't have muscles to store muscle glycogen, their liver is always full of glycogen from high fructose consumption and their insulin doesn't work because theyh ave blood and all receptors full of fatty acids.. If you are not fat, if you are active, if you have muscles that are hungry for glycogen, if you don't drink 4L of soda every day, if you don't eat fried foods high in inflammatory omega 6 fats, if you have good diet with micronutrients like zinc, magnesium, chromium, B vitamins, choline etc. etc.. You can eat your whole food sources of carbs and be healthy full of energy with no diabetes, glycation etc.. So be more open minded it is not black and white like you think...
Quote from Matrixik on March 23, 2020, 7:42 amActually you can be really fat and still don't have diabetes as long as you train hard => sumo wrestlers.
https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2015/07/19/what-happens-to-the-carbs-part-ii/
I started by looking at the extremes, as I always do. Beginning with the most obese group people on the planet earth, namely Sumo wrestlers. I wanted to know how many of them have diabetes, and it did not take long to discover that, whilst in training, none of them have diabetes.
I then searched for the opposite end of the spectrum. Were there people with no adipose tissue, and how many of them had diabetes? Surprisingly, there is one such group, the least obese people on earth. They are those with Beradinelli-Siep lipodystrophy. This is a genetic abnormality which means that these poor unfortunates have almost no fat cells. How many of them have type II diabetes? Well, all of them actually.
A lot more stuff from Dr. Malcolm Kendrick is worth reading. Like "What causes heart disease": 67 parts as of today.
Extracts from his posts: https://www.emotionsforengineers.com/2018/01/dr-malcolm-kendricks-series-on-what.html
Actually you can be really fat and still don't have diabetes as long as you train hard => sumo wrestlers.
I started by looking at the extremes, as I always do. Beginning with the most obese group people on the planet earth, namely Sumo wrestlers. I wanted to know how many of them have diabetes, and it did not take long to discover that, whilst in training, none of them have diabetes.
I then searched for the opposite end of the spectrum. Were there people with no adipose tissue, and how many of them had diabetes? Surprisingly, there is one such group, the least obese people on earth. They are those with Beradinelli-Siep lipodystrophy. This is a genetic abnormality which means that these poor unfortunates have almost no fat cells. How many of them have type II diabetes? Well, all of them actually.
A lot more stuff from Dr. Malcolm Kendrick is worth reading. Like "What causes heart disease": 67 parts as of today.
Extracts from his posts: https://www.emotionsforengineers.com/2018/01/dr-malcolm-kendricks-series-on-what.html