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Low vA diet with the HG7 protocol.
Fyi I think started this vA shorthand notation many years ago on here, glad to see it catching on in many places. Got tired of typing vitamin all the time. Anyhow...
I started the HG7 protocol a few days ago at 1/8 the recommended dose. I wanted to have a thread where we can talk about it here.
While I like how Jacob(TR Heisenberg) doesn't list specific supplements he uses because so many are pushing products, I still do think it's important to talk about which ones we use as supplements are not all equal. Some are terrible. So I will list mine here. So far I can't say if any are bad or good.
EGCG - Life Extension Decaffeinated Mega Green Tea Extract 725mg, 45% EGCG - my dose 1 capsule
vC with flavenoids - Thorne 500mg - my dose 1 capsule
B5 - Source Naturals Tablets, 250mg my dose 1/4 tablet - 60mg
B6 - Natures Bounty tablet 100mg - dose 1/4 tablet -25mg
B7 Biotin - Nutricost 10,000mcg - 6 capsules - 60mg
Molybdenum - Kirkman 100mcg - 5 capsules - switching to Seeking Health at 500mcg per capsule - dose 500mcg
Zinc - NOW 50mg tablet - does 1/4 tablet at 12.5mg
This is my third day with this dosage.
The first two nights before this I took 12.5mg of Zinc and 100mcg of moly be a few hours before bed and I felt a metallic taste and notice some mild changes in my head, wasn't strong but it was a negative effect. Didn't like it.
The next day I took all seven after breakfast and to my surprise didn't quite get the metallic taste or head feeling. Maybe they're all working synergistically now I thought, ok so far so good.
The 2nd full dose seem to go the same way during the day, but at night I was feeling a little off, I woke up in the middle of the night like I usually do but this time I felt uneasy, like the onset of anxiety may be coming on - anxiety is something that I am very familiar with the past 13 years that I've been battling life changing health issues.
Third day(today) I probably shouldn't have taken the third dose from the event of last night but I did it anyway. I think tonight might be worse, dreading it. Body is not feeling well, lungs are inflaming and bubbling sharp pains here and there throughout the day from exposure and probably the HG7 may be exacerbating my MCS. I'm been asking Ai about the Fenton reaction with iron and hydrogen peroxide causing a looping free radical production. Ai is what is leading me to believe the metals from the exhaust is doing in my lungs as well. Free radicals from iron overload inside and outside the lungs. I might have to stop the protocol for now until my lungs calm down. This is serious damage going on in there for far too long now. I just got a huge Weed growing activated charcoal inline filter with and inline hepa filter and inline blower for my vehicle to try and minimize exhaust exposure. I'm like trapped here in the city by emfs and gassed in my vehicle. This is torture, this is my fate. The fight for health and life continues.
Day 4, To my surprise sleep wasn't bad, maybe it wasn't the HG7 supplements and possibly the food gave me bad symptoms the night before. I decided to skip the supplements today and give my body a break.
Please list your brands and dosage and how you're doing on this?
@john I don't do 100% of his protocol. Like I do p5p instead of regular B6 and I do nutricost biotin as well because I still not sure about those ultra megadoses of biotin. I do 1 capsule of life extension EGCG as well and I will not go above that dose. I do some extra B1, B2 as well as other stuff like K2, magnesium, vit E complex, selenium, etc.. Most my supplements are now foods especially B vitamins and minerals are from Swanson. I do zinc glycinate iti s much powerful than gluconate. I don't do it daily. I have hard time with the symptoms, calibrations etc.. because I have constantly changing variables due to doing different jobs all the time or due to how much stress I have from family members etc.. So I would get all kinds of symptoms constantly changing just from the outside factors. So until I fix this and I will have stable environment I will not increase the doses because for now I simply can't manage it at all. It is hard to tell what is doing what.
But even if I will be in perfect position to do it. I don't think I will ever go to full dose. Not even 50%.. I simply don't want to take vitamins and minerals to create drug like effect. Like Jacob said he is chasing that high from it. I just want to balance the body with doses that I could get from diet as well. That's why I don't like that crazy high biotin dose. But for now there is a chance that I am deficient bad and for that you have to take more for some period. SO I have two bottles 500capsules of 10mg nutricost biotin and I will take anywhere from 1 to 5 caps a day until I run out and after that just take maybe no more than 10mg here and there.
I am taking half of 500mg B5 capsule and I think it is helping with my skin and even 30-50mg of biotin are not creating any acne issue which is interesting. So I will keep doing that..
Anyways this protocol is basically nutritional balancing for specific group of people. I know some say all people will do great on it, but I don't think so. Really not all people are toxic in iron or copper and low in zinc. Like if someone is for example athlete and was on decent high zinc diet before it can seriously hurt him.
Not everyone is toxic, sedentary, drug user and junk food eater like Jacob..
So I think nutritional balancing with hair testing is much superior to this, but Jacob with his determination and will came with some very interesting stuff. Especially the calibration stuff based on symptoms. That to me is much better system than nutritional balancing where they give you supplements based on hair test and you take them no matter what for like 4-6 months and you should just "push trough". So your chemistry is constantly changing, but you are still taking ratios and stuff that doesn't have to be good for you anymore..
So I think blending HG7 principles with nutritional balancing and ideally blood testing as well is the way to go.
Hopefully there will be some system down the road with help of AI for example. So even average person can do it with great results. For now you have to be biochemist basically with decent money and time to do it effectively.. So it is basically not usable for average people that's for sure..
From nutritional balancing world I think this guy is on top now. Also big on zinc. But in much more holistic way than Jacob who sees everything only trough his eyes and doesn't understand bigger picture..
Selig is the guy who came up with #toxicbiletheory that Garrett is trying to take credit for right?
@jiri I saw the p5p but didn't want to go overboard with it since B6 can be toxic. I back on the B1 again as I just learned that alpha lipoic acid depletes it along with a few other minerals like zinc and in turn increase copper absorption and can have a negative copper effect. I've don like 50 rounds of ALA for mercury chelation so I wonder now, how this has effected my health vs helping. I also got flush Niacin as Dr. Garett was mention it uses up vA in the body. I had just thrown away my old bottle of Niacin cause I read some side effects of which I forget what it was, but it was enough for me to toss it. Good information is the hardest thing to come by and probably the one thing that is holding us back the most from healing. I keep going back and for on many things over the years.
Yeah I don't think I will ever want to take the doses Jacob is recommending, this 1/8 dose seems doable since i'm only taking 1/4 tablets of some of these supplements. The biotin though seems like a lot since I'm taking 6x times the amount of 1 capsule.
I see the HG7 as overall positive in that it helps me understand better the interrelationships of these vitamins and minerals. It brought to my attention what I might have been doing wrong the past few years pertaining to copper. I was eating chocolate protein bars almost everyday for a year or so and I was just getting more more emf sensitive. I was also eating a lot of dark chocolate for a time as it helped with my weightlifting and energy. In the labels they never tell us the amount of copper with the iron and calcium. I just found out that dark chocolate has more daily value copper than anything they list. Makes you wonder if it's intentional as copper should be the first thing on there as it's the most abundant in chocolate and the most difficult for body to remove. We're being overloaded with copper.
@john I don't think just by eating some cocoa you end up having copper toxicity. Especially from food sources like that that have much more than copper and it all somewhat keeps everything in some balance as all those compounds compete for absorption..
Copper overload is mostly related to liver(bile flow) and hormones(estrogen retains more copper) and your adrenal health and also copper antagonist intake..
So if everything is working I think you can have very high copper intake and you will eliminate excess easily with bile..
It is not like iron. Iron you can effectively eliminate only with blood loss.. It was not a problem back in the day when we were living much more closer to nature. So we would have parasites, all kinds of insects would constantly eating our blood. We would bleed more from fighting, injuries etc. + very high physical activity level all that lowers iron. But now in this modern and world most people have non of that so who eats diet high in iron especially heme iron you have to donate blood or self bleed or whatever to make sure you keep those iron stores in check..
I just learned the hard way that if you are hypothyroid and have all kinds of issues bleeding a lot at once can really hurt you because for unhealthy body it is not so easy to just make new blood.. So it is better to bleed small amounts often and not dump 400-500ml at once like I did and end up with hair loss etc. lol..
Anyways like I said not all people are iron/copper toxic and zinc deficient co HG7 is not good for everyone. It will be good mostly for older people and mostly for males. Who are much more likely be high in iron and with age also high in copper due to higher body fat and higher estrogen..
Or in case of Jacob he was probably toxic as a kid already. Same case for me. So for me Hg7 should be the answer. But for now like I said I can't push the protocol because I have impaired detox pathways due to chronic stress. Once I fix that I am sure even 10% of full dose will do miracle for me.. Dumping all that copper that I am holding due to body constantly in stress mode with bad liver function/bile flow..
Knowing the status is important but harder to figure out. I don't know if I can believe what you say about copper being easy to to get rid of, meaning harder to be toxic. I have a lot of things going on , lots of stress in my life both mentally and physically, a mouth full of mercury for decades, lots of chocolate, lots of fruits the first 30 years of my life, probably loads of vitamin A. Gut dysbiosis, hepatitis B although viral load has always been low after 6 weeks of medication in early 2000's and liver functions and blood work are normal. We need accurate and reliable tests.
I just red retinyl esters in blood is a good marker of vA overload in the liver.
I just took my fourth day of HG7 yesterday after skipping two days. I also took SOD w/catalase by Solaray, 100mg of B1 and 600mg of NAC and later in the day I knee joints was in pain, felt like it was dehydrated and stiff. My left knee has never experienced this. I'm thinking it's the three I added, possibly the NAC more than anything. Not sure. But Grok said just to take EGCG, MolyB and Zinc for now to see it if can mop up everything that the supplements caused. Have you experienced joint pains from HG7? Based on HG7 theory, this indicated too much free iron and or copper.
@john " I don't know if I can believe what you say about copper being easy to to get rid of, meaning harder to be toxic. "
I was talking more in general terms copper versus iron. That the body is simply able to eliminate a lot of copper with bile IF everything is working like I said. But in case of iron we don't have good way to eliminate any significant amount of copper except via blood loss..
So yeah if you have liver issues etc. it can be a problem, but in normal scenario just eating copper doesn't mean you will automatically accumulate it..
I have all kinds of pains since I have issues with low bioavailable copper, low estradiol so my collagen synthesis and repair is low. For now I stopped with HG7. It puts a lot of pressure on phase 1 detox pathways and I have issues with phase 3 bile flow. So it is not a good idea to just keep surfacing metals into the blood from tissues if I can't eliminate them with bile..
What are you doing for bile production and flow? I'm thinking about taking TUDCA again but not Ox Bile as I recall it's not good for bile acids to be in the stomach, I forget why. They say eating bitters help bile production but we here don't like the vA. I try to do fresh ginger tea often. Eat a good amount of fat like avocado and olive oil, though I think olive oil may be causing me some negative effects. Asking Ai , as I suspected, NAC has been known to cause joint pains in some people .