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Carnivore on June 20, 2022, 5:10 am
Anyway, according to Vonderplanitz people who are on such a diet should stay away from salt and also shouldn't drink much water, if any. His reasoning behind this was that indigenous people would not drink water either, but would eat lots of fat and occasionally drink the juice of fruits.
One aspect of not drinking much regular water is that water in whole foods, both plants and animals, is structured, meaning that speculatively the body requires less energy to use the water as the water does not need be structured by the body.
An issue with the carnivore diet is that the meat is drained of blood and possibly other moisture before being vacuum sealed and sometimes frozen.
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Carnivore on June 20, 2022, 5:10 am
Anyway, according to Vonderplanitz people who are on such a diet should stay away from salt and also shouldn't drink much water, if any. His reasoning behind this was that indigenous people would not drink water either, but would eat lots of fat and occasionally drink the juice of fruits.
One aspect of not drinking much regular water is that water in whole foods, both plants and animals, is structured, meaning that speculatively the body requires less energy to use the water as the water does not need be structured by the body.
An issue with the carnivore diet is that the meat is drained of blood and possibly other moisture before being vacuum sealed and sometimes frozen.
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Just FYI, I've experimented with not bleeding the meat rabbits I raise, thinking that it might conserve some of the nutrients in the blood by allowing it to remain in the muscle, but I have found absolutely no difference in taste and it seems like all the blood just pools elsewhere in the body and creates a mess when butchering the rabbit. I'm not convinced that bleeding out animals changes the nutrient composition of the meat. I keep thinking about saving the blood to eat it directly, but there's a lot of iron in it that my body probably doesn't want to deal with right now...
Can you elaborate on the structured water idea? Without knowing anything else about it, that initially sounds like BS to me, like saying you should eat things raw to retain the enzymes (those enzymes shouldn't survive our own digestion, should they?), or like Saladino's "food matrix" argument for the safety of getting fructose from fruit. That being said, part of the reason steak tastes so good is because there is more water left in it when cooked lightly than there is in thoroughly cooked ground meat, and I could see how it is more satisfying getting water from steak than from drinking it from another source.
@jeremy
Just FYI, I've experimented with not bleeding the meat rabbits I raise, thinking that it might conserve some of the nutrients in the blood by allowing it to remain in the muscle, but I have found absolutely no difference in taste and it seems like all the blood just pools elsewhere in the body and creates a mess when butchering the rabbit. I'm not convinced that bleeding out animals changes the nutrient composition of the meat. I keep thinking about saving the blood to eat it directly, but there's a lot of iron in it that my body probably doesn't want to deal with right now...
Can you elaborate on the structured water idea? Without knowing anything else about it, that initially sounds like BS to me, like saying you should eat things raw to retain the enzymes (those enzymes shouldn't survive our own digestion, should they?), or like Saladino's "food matrix" argument for the safety of getting fructose from fruit. That being said, part of the reason steak tastes so good is because there is more water left in it when cooked lightly than there is in thoroughly cooked ground meat, and I could see how it is more satisfying getting water from steak than from drinking it from another source.
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Just FYI, I've experimented with not bleeding the meat rabbits I raise, thinking that it might conserve some of the nutrients in the blood by allowing it to remain in the muscle, but I have found absolutely no difference in taste and it seems like all the blood just pools elsewhere in the body and creates a mess when butchering the rabbit. I'm not convinced that bleeding out animals changes the nutrient composition of the meat. I keep thinking about saving the blood to eat it directly, but there's a lot of iron in it that my body probably doesn't want to deal with right now...
Can you elaborate on the structured water idea?
Interesting about the rabbits. I know some pastoral groups like the Masai do drink the blood of their animals. But I don't know what hunter/gatherers do.
There are hundreds of thousands of websites and whatnot about structured water. Here is a short article by a well-known academic researcher in this area. I don't have any hard proof that there is a health effect.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mahmoud-Moubark/project/the-fourth-phase-of-nanowater/attachment/59605edfb53d2f3d63bfa467/AS:513703923073024@1499487967049/download/Pollack13.pdf
Just FYI, I've experimented with not bleeding the meat rabbits I raise, thinking that it might conserve some of the nutrients in the blood by allowing it to remain in the muscle, but I have found absolutely no difference in taste and it seems like all the blood just pools elsewhere in the body and creates a mess when butchering the rabbit. I'm not convinced that bleeding out animals changes the nutrient composition of the meat. I keep thinking about saving the blood to eat it directly, but there's a lot of iron in it that my body probably doesn't want to deal with right now...
Can you elaborate on the structured water idea?
Interesting about the rabbits. I know some pastoral groups like the Masai do drink the blood of their animals. But I don't know what hunter/gatherers do.
There are hundreds of thousands of websites and whatnot about structured water. Here is a short article by a well-known academic researcher in this area. I don't have any hard proof that there is a health effect.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mahmoud-Moubark/project/the-fourth-phase-of-nanowater/attachment/59605edfb53d2f3d63bfa467/AS:513703923073024@1499487967049/download/Pollack13.pdf
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Lynne on June 20, 2022, 6:47 pm
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mmb3664 on June 16, 2022, 3:38 pm
To my knowledge, there is nothing about coconut water that should have caused these issues.
Reading this thread for the first time I was surprised at the amount of coconut water you listed, and unsurprised to see you'd had diarrhea, since coconut water is a well known trigger of diarrhea in the IBS and low FODMAP community. More than 100ml or so of fresh or packaged coconut water contains high FODMAP levels of sorbitol (polyol - a sugar alcohol), and moderate to high levels of fructans (oligosaccharides). I can't drink much more than this without getting at least some intestinal distress and, If I drank the amount you were, I'd never be off the loo, lol.
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mmb3664 on June 16, 2022, 3:38 pm
To my knowledge, there is nothing about coconut water that should have caused these issues.
Reading this thread for the first time I was surprised at the amount of coconut water you listed, and unsurprised to see you'd had diarrhea, since coconut water is a well known trigger of diarrhea in the IBS and low FODMAP community. More than 100ml or so of fresh or packaged coconut water contains high FODMAP levels of sorbitol (polyol - a sugar alcohol), and moderate to high levels of fructans (oligosaccharides). I can't drink much more than this without getting at least some intestinal distress and, If I drank the amount you were, I'd never be off the loo, lol.
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mmb3664 on June 21, 2022, 6:29 am
@lynne Thank you for the input! I was not aware that coconut water is a well-known trigger for diarrhea. I do not have IBS and have never looked into low FODMAP foods, so this was not on my radar. I have, before this experiment, drank up to 1 L of coconut water in a day with no issue, so again, I did not think it could cause a problem. I appreciate the comment!
@lynne Thank you for the input! I was not aware that coconut water is a well-known trigger for diarrhea. I do not have IBS and have never looked into low FODMAP foods, so this was not on my radar. I have, before this experiment, drank up to 1 L of coconut water in a day with no issue, so again, I did not think it could cause a problem. I appreciate the comment!
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