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New Bile-- building blocks?
Quote from lil chick on November 16, 2025, 4:54 amI have been very interested in the Karen Hurd idea that we need to get rid of old, toxic bile and make new.
So, how can we support our bodies to make it?
I've read that we need cholesterol, salt, potassium, baking soda (bicarb) to make bile. I think we need fats. There have been some discussions here about which fats are best.
A snippet I read said we needed trace minerals, don't know which ones. Another said we need bilirubin (which comes from old red blood cells).
Also, the liver makes it, so I suppose we need a liver that is working properly.
Please discuss how you think we can support new bile production.
I have been very interested in the Karen Hurd idea that we need to get rid of old, toxic bile and make new.
So, how can we support our bodies to make it?
I've read that we need cholesterol, salt, potassium, baking soda (bicarb) to make bile. I think we need fats. There have been some discussions here about which fats are best.
A snippet I read said we needed trace minerals, don't know which ones. Another said we need bilirubin (which comes from old red blood cells).
Also, the liver makes it, so I suppose we need a liver that is working properly.
Please discuss how you think we can support new bile production.
Quote from lil chick on November 16, 2025, 8:17 amI wonder if the well-known liver herb sylmarin has any benefits. I once knew a dog with eczema and the owners had him on sylmarin. I think one of the problems might have been overuse. How do you know if the dog is hitting the wall on such a thing? To me, all herbs are dual edged swords. But maybe in small amounts?
Yes, milk thistle helps with bile production by stimulating both bile production by the liver and secretion from the gallbladder. This action is attributed to its active compounds, particularly silymarin, which make it a choleretic (bile-stimulating) and cholegogue (bile-secreting) herb.
Increases bile production:Milk thistle is considered a choleretic herb, meaning it stimulates the liver to produce more bile. This supports healthy digestion, especially of fats. Promotes bile flow:It is also a cholegogue, which helps stimulate the gallbladder to release bile. Supports liver health:The liver's enhanced bile production helps support overall liver function and can help with detoxification.
Aids digestion:By increasing bile flow, milk thistle can aid in digestion, reduce bloating, and help ease occasional digestive discomfort.
Contains active compounds:The primary active compounds in milk thistle, collectively known as silymarin, are believed to be responsible for these effects.
I wonder if the well-known liver herb sylmarin has any benefits. I once knew a dog with eczema and the owners had him on sylmarin. I think one of the problems might have been overuse. How do you know if the dog is hitting the wall on such a thing? To me, all herbs are dual edged swords. But maybe in small amounts?
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Increases bile production:Milk thistle is considered a choleretic herb, meaning it stimulates the liver to produce more bile. This supports healthy digestion, especially of fats.
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Promotes bile flow:It is also a cholegogue, which helps stimulate the gallbladder to release bile.
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Supports liver health:The liver's enhanced bile production helps support overall liver function and can help with detoxification.
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Aids digestion:By increasing bile flow, milk thistle can aid in digestion, reduce bloating, and help ease occasional digestive discomfort.
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Contains active compounds:The primary active compounds in milk thistle, collectively known as silymarin, are believed to be responsible for these effects.
Quote from Jiří on November 16, 2025, 9:21 am@lil-chick for sure you don't need some plant to make bile. Btw for me all milk thistle did to me was elevated prolactin and fluid leaking from my nipple and exactly the same happened to my mom when I gave her grounded milk thistle seeds as well for "liver detox"..
For making bile you need mainly water, electrolytes, cholesterol, phospholipids, amino acids glycine and taurine and some bilirubin.
So that means basically be well hydrated, having good intake of all electrolytes in balance sodium, potassium, chloride are the most important and taking some extra glycine/taurine can't hurt. Eggs look like ultimate food due to cholesterol, phospholipid content. But most people have already high cholesterol. SO don't know if eggs are ideal. I would rather use sunflower lecithin..
What can slow down bile production is overal bad liver health so any toxicity, issues with detox pathways or slow metabolism, hypothyroidsm will cause issues.
But in general for healthy people who want increase bile production I think taking extra glycine/taurine and eating eggs/taking lecithin and be well hydrated and also eating soluble fiber. Because the more old bile you eliminate the more new will be made(in ideal scenario if nothing is wrong..)
@lil-chick for sure you don't need some plant to make bile. Btw for me all milk thistle did to me was elevated prolactin and fluid leaking from my nipple and exactly the same happened to my mom when I gave her grounded milk thistle seeds as well for "liver detox"..
For making bile you need mainly water, electrolytes, cholesterol, phospholipids, amino acids glycine and taurine and some bilirubin.
So that means basically be well hydrated, having good intake of all electrolytes in balance sodium, potassium, chloride are the most important and taking some extra glycine/taurine can't hurt. Eggs look like ultimate food due to cholesterol, phospholipid content. But most people have already high cholesterol. SO don't know if eggs are ideal. I would rather use sunflower lecithin..
What can slow down bile production is overal bad liver health so any toxicity, issues with detox pathways or slow metabolism, hypothyroidsm will cause issues.
But in general for healthy people who want increase bile production I think taking extra glycine/taurine and eating eggs/taking lecithin and be well hydrated and also eating soluble fiber. Because the more old bile you eliminate the more new will be made(in ideal scenario if nothing is wrong..)
Quote from Hermes on November 16, 2025, 11:46 amProbably what helps, too, is trying to get good sleep and be well rested. If you're for some reason stressed and not enough in parasympathetic mode, bile production will be reduced. Healing takes time and a lot of rest. It's very much counter to what most modern lifestyles promote.
Probably what helps, too, is trying to get good sleep and be well rested. If you're for some reason stressed and not enough in parasympathetic mode, bile production will be reduced. Healing takes time and a lot of rest. It's very much counter to what most modern lifestyles promote.