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Nine Year Update

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WOOT WOOT

I truly think that an adult relative of mine was one of those excess jab deaths...

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EioHermesDeleted user

Our closest neighbors daughter was probably one too 🙁

She was a very healthy mother of 2 sons, around 50 yo, and such a vibrant and intelligent person.. the only child of her parents (our neighbors)

She died of a massive brain aneurysm... and they could not save her. As soon as i heard it I thought about the jabs.... it was such a shock for her parents to lose her. Nobody had ever imagined something like this in their wildest dreams.

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wow 

I have almost completely recovered (though I experienced a quick accumulation of vitamin A due to vitamin A supplementation, fish oil, liver + sweet potatoes). I think in the case of Grant's recovery, it was slow; however, I don't believe it was due to a large accumulation, but rather due to his age. I was 28-29 when I started, so my recovery was quick. The only remaining issue for me is the intestinal damage caused, which I know will heal completely if I stick to a meat + rice diet for 7-8 months.

I am also planning to stick with this elimination diet probably for the rest of my life. I mean, I feel more human like this, and if the cost of feeling this way is not eating liver, sweet potatoes, kale, or any vitamin A foods, I don't mind the trade-off. Anyway, those foods taste awful.

Now I can tolerate high vitamin A foods without any issues, but why would I eat them?

So cheers, everyone!

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Janelle525EioOuraniaHermesAndrew BDeleted userViktor2HenrikShannonEl

From the Conclusions section of "Binding of vitamin A with milk α-and β-caseins":

"The results suggest that milk caseins can act as carriers for retinoids in vitro."

For anyone not paying attention, this study artificially introduced different amounts of retinol and retinoic acid to a solution containing casein proteins.  This was a "test tube" study.  Also, they apparently did not measure the naturally occurring amount of retinol or retinoic acid attached to the casein proteins...it could have been zero for all we know.  While it does demonstrate that retinoids have the ability to bind to caseins exogenously, it says nothing of the amount of retinoids bound to naturally occurring casein, or the amount in the casein used in early rat studies.

Lest you get the idea that scientists are complete nincompoops based on Grant's writing, some of them were attempting to measure the amount of Vitamin A attached to casein back in the era of Wolbach and Howe:

"The Vitamin A content of "light white" casein" (Maitra and Moore 1939) indicates that a more naturally occurring isolate of casein ("light white") does contain small amounts of Vitamin A, sufficient to prevent growth abnormalities and premature death in lab rats. However, different extraction methods for casein apparently led to reduced amounts of Vitamin A bound to the casein, and lab rats fed these "refined" caseins did suffer growth abnormalities and premature death.

"A new technique for the preparation of Vitamin A-free casein" (Potter 1965) seems to suggest that, although there may have been some Vitamin A present in the refined casein of early experiments such as Wolbach and Howe 1925, it appears to have been insufficient to maintain growth and survival.  Whether the amount was zero or simply very small, the point is that the experimental group was receiving meaningfully less Vitamin A than the control group, sufficient to cause biological problems.  Of course, there could be other variables at play when comparing butter to lard in these experimental rat diets, such as Vitamin E and oxidized fats, so such diets are not perfectly controlled comparisons.

Bottom line: Scientists studying Vitamin A have attempted to verify the legitimacy of prior studies.  The notion that retinoids are vitamins does not rest solely on Wolbach and Howe's 1925 study.  People have been investigating Vitamin A from different angles in different organisms with different technologies over the past century.

Also, if one is questioning the veracity of Vitamin A content in casein, shouldn't they also be questioning the veracity of Vitamin A content in the meat they're eating every day?  Who's to say those measurements aren't wrong too?  Maybe the low Vitamin A prison food diet is not that low after all...

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@ggenereux2014

RE: What’s needed next are more success stories and better guidance on how to achieve safer, more predictable results.

It's just a shame that most people who have solved most of their health problems no longer post on this forum. If I had the time, I'd email them and ask them to share their results. Actually, it would be a nice feature of this site if there was a testimonials page where curated testimonials could be found, maybe right in the main navigation next to the home link. If there were more testimonials like yours, it would definitely create more legitimacy for the whole "vitamin A is a toxin" idea.

RE: I’ve become very interested in another major issue that I feel is just as important, and potentially even more so, than the vitamin A topic. Over the next few years that will be the primary focus of my attention.

Can you say something about your newfound interest? And will you be sharing your ideas on this blog or elsewhere? Very curious to learn more about your new quest and where one can read up on it if you decide to write about it in any form (blog, PDF).

RE: Thank you so much for your continued interest and participation in this investigation.

Likewise. It's been a pleasure to read your blog posts, written with both clarity and passion for the subject. And you have been unapologetic in defending your hypothesis, which alone is something to admire. Your ideas offer hope to those who have been chronically ill, turning to places where they've received no answers, you offer no who-ho explanations, as varied as the plights are, the underlying issue of all is very likely excess vitamin A. This idea should have far-reaching implications. It's nothing short of amazing that someone with no background in nutritional science would make such a profound discovery. I hope you will continue to answer questions or contribute to discussions in the forum. Thank you for your time.

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EioOuraniakathy55woodDeleted userViktor2Elpgomez

@wavygravygadzooks

In case someone might get the wrong idea and think that the researchers are not retarded, I have about 10 papers showing that the casein in milk actually do carry retinol.

(Not a surprise since how would it not soak it up as there are retinol in the milkfat)

 

Here is a very simple one: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233974519_Binding_of_vitamin_A_by_casein_micelles_in_commercial_skim_milk

 

"the casein fractions contained between 14 and 40% of total retinyl palmitate in the various milks tested"

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@henrik

How was anybody supposed to know that Vitamin A was bound to casein before they investigated the chemistry with more modern technology?  In the early days, they observed that a substance associated with fat in foods helped to prevent physiological degradation and reasonably assumed that the substance was primarily carried in fat.  Calling early researchers retarded is retarded when you have the benefit of accessing a hundred years of publications with a few keystrokes on your computer and they had to create charts with a pencil and a ruler.

That we now know that Vitamin A binds to casein is still beside the point with regard to experiments that used casein refined in such a way as to remove that Vitamin A...  It would appear that studies aside from Wolbach and Howe arrived at the same conclusions using more refined techniques.

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Deleted userEl

Seriously… now we are not trying to do the rat study all over again? It is enough to just use reason, and here we are in our little bubble, thinking that is enough? I am so disappointed! What are we trying to do here, and are we even trying anymore?

It is enough for us to hang out on our little forum and point to the world and say you are wrong? This update has no tests whatsoever either! You have done 9 years on a (basically) zero vA diet, I would work my ass off to get some attention from scientists. We are not changing jack by posting yearly updates here… 

LIKE REALLY?!

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Quote from sand on August 13, 2023, 10:34 pm

It is enough for us to hang out on our little forum and point to the world and say you are wrong? This update has no tests whatsoever either! You have done 9 years on a (basically) zero vA diet, I would work my ass off to get some attention from scientists. We are not changing jack by posting yearly updates here… 

LIKE REALLY?!

As you can read in the post scientists are not even intrigued by an important surge in deaths, so good luck in getting their attention ..

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@sand

From Grant's 5-year update in August of 2019 regarding his serum Vitamin A lab values:

"I was seriously disappointed with that 0.1 μmol/l result. It’s the same value that I had a year ago. I find it a little hard to believe that after another year maintaining a nearly zero vitamin A intake diet that my serum level wouldn’t have moved lower."

Scanning through his blog posts, I do not see any more recent Vitamin A labs...you would think if you were trying to prove Vitamin A is purely toxic that you would be getting at least annual labs to show that it is continuing to decline as the body gets rid of the "poison".

I mean, if it were indeed a poison, and he continues to feel better, what reason is there to think that the body wouldn't be capable of getting rid of every last bit floating around in the blood?  Shouldn't his body be more capable of getting rid of it as his health improves?  It's almost like...the body wants it to be in the blood?!

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