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Oxalate content - grains, legumes, nuts and seeds

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Quote from Jiří on July 18, 2020, 6:12 am

@tim-2 I think (like other people who talk about them as harmful) oxalates are simply harmful due to mechanical damage. They are simply microscopic sharp crystals that are doing damage to the tissues. It is not about some biochemistry processes.. 

The studies I posted are about B deficiencies causing increased production of oxalate, not about oxalate causing negative biochemical effects.

@tim-2 I am not sure if those oxalates from spinach for example are the same as those we make in the body. Oxalates from plants should be defence mechanism. So it doesn't make any sense. Why would our body make some sharp broken glass like crystals that can damage our tissues and bind to minerals in our gut/blood...

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It's a metabolic waste product. If we consume excess vC or we are thiamin deficient our body makes even more.

Plants use it to regulate calcium and protect against aluminium.

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@tim-2 I wonder if my "sand in the neck feeling" is gone due to taking B1... 

Oxalates, apples, thyroid, sweats, minerals... thoughts

@jiri mentioned the apple-a-day thing when I was feeling overly-oxalated from too many raspberries.  Hubs wanted a raspberry pie, so I peeled the normal amount of APPLES for a pie, and just flavored it subtly with raspberry.  It was delicious and didn't seem to add to my load, in fact, helped with my oxalate symptoms.

I wonder if (besides the malic acid) boron in apples binds with oxalates. 

The day I felt over-oxalated I was hot-flashing up a storm. 

I was reading how oxalate crystals form in the thyroid, and that the older you are the more crystals form in the thyroid.  Well, the thyroid is all about body temp, isn't it.

Many women take the apple cider vinegar drink for hot flashes.  It is said about 80% see benefits. 

People here, and hubs too, have talked about having some sweats when generouzing.

Could oxalate detox be behind hot flashes and generouzing sweats?    Just a thought.

In the past I spent some time studying herbology, and minerals for the menopausal was considered to be key.  It occurs to me that anything that helps old people helps VA toxic people.  I might start a thread on that.

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Dr Greg Nigh found that removing high sulphur foods (temporarily to work out what people reacting to) massively reduced hot flushes in people. He was not expecting this. (book- ‘The Devil in the Garlic’). I’m definitely better if I stay away from garlic & onions. Not looked at oxalate connection. It’s probably not one thing. Oxalates & sulphur metabolism problems are intimately connected (Susan Owens) & vA toxicity entwined in there too. Each messes up the others from my understanding & can put people into vicious cycles. I’ve drawn out a mind map called VA toxicity & clogged up sulphur metabolism & oxalates with arrows for connections - there are quite a few. Hopefully lowering vA to a sensible level in the body will help it all. 

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Story about a lady who dropped chips and took up nuts instead and ruined her kidneys with oxalates.

Detective work was done, luckily they realized the issue, and she regained some of her kidney function with a low oxalate diet.

She had a diet low in calcium which was a bad combo with the high oxalates.   Looks like she began to take a calcium supplement as part of the solution.

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Thanks for sharing @lil-chick! I re-introduced cheese in my diet and I think it has positive effects. A low calcium high oxalate diet is clearly not good for a lot of people and I was eating more and more oxalates because of the whole grains. 

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