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Potassium and Magnesium Absorption
Curious if anyone has any ideas for increasing adsorption of potassium and magnesium. I will say that I think this may be more related to copper toxicity, than vitamin a, so if not allowed on this forum I understand. When I am dumping copper I seem to need an infinite amount of potassium and magnesium. I do both oral and external and still have trouble sleeping. I've tried thiamine, 3 forms and it only seems to increase my magnesium deficiency symptoms. I'm already doing a low copper and vitamin a diet. At this point I take zinc, molyb, oral mag, b complex (3 times a week). I eat eggs on occasion and started a choline supplement but haven't noticed any change so far. Any ideas?
I'm fairly sure the 4 eggs a day improved my absorption. You're looking at a time scale of about 6 months perhaps. I never needed any extra magnesium or potassium throughout the detox when I was doing 1-2 eggs a day.
@jessica2 Oh yes I've experimented with all kinds under the sun. Mag chloride seems to be the best. I think I might go back to nano mag chloride. I stopped because GS was convincing that nanos are no good but I'm feeling pretty desperate to sleep through the night. Thanks @andrew-b, I'll be patient. Seems that the choline might be stirring up copper/getting detox too strong. I'll have to look into choline copper toxicity connection.
@anna-3 yes, there's a couple of papers that indicate choline either helps remove copper or modulates it better. I've spoken in other comments in the forum about choline speeding things up and I reduce protein, fibre, fat, zinc and selenium supplements where appropriate and increase carbohydrates as means to slow things down while you replenish the choline and reduce leakiness.
In a Wilson disease model maternal choline and fetal liver copper. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962539/
Synthetic choline molybdenum compound being used to increase copper removal. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8698685/
Thanks those were the two studies I found also. I’ve found that there is no way for me to slow down copper detox besides removing the offending supplement. The phosphatidyl choline seems too intense right now, the CDP choline comes in a lower dose so that seems to be working and I already had a bottle. I have already noticed the minor memory issues improving/gone.
@anna-3 I'm saying some other things in comments in other posts. I do think eggs if tolerated are the best way to do this with a lowish 125 mgs of choline. Only recently I've got round to searching for organ meat levels and lamb kidneys, tongue and lung lobes (in a specific haggis) have been added to my shopping list to try. Beef hearts are high but I prefer lamb hearts. Other organs may have high choline.
@anna-3 I had rock bottom potassium and sodium levels for 4-5 hair tests, and couldn’t tolerate potassium supplements in the past. On my latest hair test I now have perfect potassium and sodium levels and perfect NA/K ratio.
The best way I found to raise potassium levels is eat lots of cooked veg, it needs to be pressure cooked for two mins or steamed for 30 mins. Good low VA ones are parsnips, you could also do this with beans but they take longer to cook. The key is to eat cooked warm/hot veg and nothing that is cold/raw.
Eating raw veg will not raise potassium levels as vegetable fibers are too tough to break down. Fruit (even organic) absorb too much N-P-K fertilisers which is a toxic potassium compound and can replace natural and biologically active forms of potassium in the body so are not helpful for potassium much compared to veg
My magnesium levels have also been low in my all hair tests even my most recent one despite heavily supplementing magnesium and trying all different forms. So I thought this could either be because of low ATP production needed to utilise mag, b1 deficiency (helps make ATP), copper toxicity, lithium deficiency (needed for magnesium retention).
Now I’ve added in low dose copper sulfate drops with glycine and magnesium. I also take thiamine hcl which helps good. Copper helps make ATP and retains magnesium. The magnesium is working perfectly now when before it didn’t work as well as this, like complete mental clarity and clearness and more energy. I am confident now my magnesium levels will finally rise in hair tests and overtake calcium.
@alexm Thanks for the response. I'll try adding more parsnips to my diet, it is a good time of year for them. Copper toxicity is definitely my main issue. A year of low v a did nothing to budge my health issues but two months into low copper diet and finally seeing improvements. I do think the choline is an important piece of the puzzle.