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Rapid Gum Recession
From what I can see, fruit doesn't really have much more thiamine than white rice, and it has less than meat. Thiamine is required for processing carbohydrates in general...doesn't matter if the source is rice or fruit. I had thought I was thiamine deficient from eating tons of white rice for years before I switched to a low carb diet, so I experimented with thiamine supplementation, which just seems to have thrown my other nutrients out of balance and made me feel weird. Considering that I was winning 100 mile endurance races after eating extremely high processed carb (much of it white rice) and low fat for over a decade, I'd say that it's rather hard to get beriberi if you're eating meat regularly.
Nevertheless, I now try to keep my carb consumption to a minimum, and I appreciate your warning.
Ok, yeah, fair enough.
Regarding scurvy. Limes seem to have a lot of malic acid in them. Can it do something wrong? Neutralize the effect of citral?
It seems to me that apples aggravate my caries. And this is despite the fact that I can eat tons of coffee with sugar, sweets, etc. without getting problems. Other fruits, such as strawberries and pears, do not seem to be so bad.
2 times I tried to include apples in my diet on a regular basis and this led to an aggravation of my caries. I remember the story of Adam and Eve ...
BTW, this is interesting about malt. In Russia, rye bread is considered useful for dental health. For example, Borodinsky. They put a lot of malt in it.
In Russia it used to be believed that if leaves appeared in malt, it was unsuitable. I don't know how they made it now.
There was up to 1970 the tradition of every sailor getting a rum ration of 71 ml per day of 95.5 proof alcohol (54.6% alcohol by volume). The 71 ml was from 1850-1970 but the tradition of a rum ration started much earlier, at least before the 1800s and at the latest sometime in the 1700s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rum_ration
That is quite a lot of daily alcohol. I guesstimate that the spirit ration of 71 ml was similar to two glasses of wine, in alcohol content.
No good with that amount of alcohol damaging the liver for the sailors who drank the rum ration.
I looked some more into scurvy and found out that lots of pots and pans were made out of copper during the Age of Sail, and probably many destillers aswell for alcohol. Copper-toxicity is probably another coinciding reason behind "scurvy".
I also found this great quote about how James Cook managed to avoid major outbreaks of "scurvy" during his long sailing voyages. Unfortunately there is no quoted source behind it:
"Captain James Cook navigated throughout the world in 1768-1777 with no major outbreaks of scurvy aboard his ship. Following the advice from past researchers and sailors, he took malt, wort, beer, sauerkraut (source of vitamin C), and syrup with oranges and lemons on board.
Cook kept his ship clean with his crewman following a strict hygiene regime and frequentlly stopping for fresh fruit, vegtibles, and water. He also stopped the practice of eating the salt fat that was lifted from the ship’s copper boiling pans. The copper formed compounds that halted the body’s absorbution of vitamins."
@wavygravygadzooks do you eat pork? Drink alcohol?
Although now I thought that the problem may really be about supplements. My friend says that in Russia, if something is less than 2%, the manufacturer is not obliged to indicate it in the composition. I don't know how it is in the USA. But 2% is a lot. I have a cheap pharmacy aspirin 325mg in a tablet. There is only 5% talc in it, but if I dissolve it in water, it will be a lot. There will be 3 pinches of talcum powder, no less than. Ray Peat(oh my God) said that there is a relationship between the intestines and the oral cavity, and if some allergen inflames the intestines , it will definitely affect the health of the oral cavity.
I'm increasingly confident this gum problem is a consequence of zinc deficiency. I've had some other dry skin problems that worsened around the same time I was getting rapidly worsening gums - heels and bottoms of big toes got super dry (I even got a deeper strip of skin peeling off one toe, pretty painful!), and I started getting noticeable dandruff coming out of my hair, which I've never had in my life.
I just started supplementing 7mg of zinc twice per day, in addition to stopping all B vitamin supplements, and my gums and roof of mouth feel way better after just a couple days. A burning sensation on the roof of my mouth is one of my longest running symptoms that I now associate with Vitamin A toxicity, and even though I searched and searched for deficiencies related to it, I only just now got Google hits that show an association between burning mouth syndrome and zinc deficiency.
At this point, I feel pretty confident in saying that both thiamine and B-complexes speed up a component of the detox process that uses up zinc. Maybe they enable the conversion of storage forms of retinol to retinoic acid in the peripheral tissues, which then damages those tissues and gets the body to fast track the retinoic acid to the liver and intestines, which is why B vitamins seemed to cause me more diarrhea and burning yellow stool. Then zinc (and Vitamin C to a lesser extent?) is needed to repair those damaged tissues.
Garrett Smith says that you might not get enough zinc from eating meat. I had scoffed at that initially, thinking his clients weren't getting enough zinc from food alone because they were eating too many beans and supplemental fiber, but at this point I have to concede that he's probably right about that even on a carnivore diet...eating 3 pounds of lean meat per day didn't seem to cut it in my case, and especially not when I was supplementing B vitamins.
Posting a screenshot of what I plugged into cronometer, it's based on a rough estimation of what you *might* eat in a day. If you're like me Im guessing you eat about 2 lbs of meat per day. So I put in 2 lbs of 85 percent lean ground beef, and 1.5 cups of white rice, just to see what your copper to zinc ratio is. Hypothetically, you're getting 60 mg of zinc and 0.9 mg of copper. That's a lot of zinc. And to accurately test for zinc status is hard. You have to do an intercellular test, they scrape tissue from your mouth and break open a cell under a microscope to measure the zinc on a cellular level. Blood serum and hair test aren't accurate in this regard. I hope this helps, if not carry on. 🙂 I'm just worried about your gums man, and I hope you figure things out!
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