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Sheep’s milk?
I sheep’s milk high in vitamin A?
i will try to join Dr. Smith’s group when I have time. I already have a limited diet as I’ve been doing AIP Paleo and now crossing that with low oxalate. So, shifting my fridge contents is , as you all know, expensive and tricky. I have about 10 containers of sheep’s milk yogurt, delicious food of the Gods.
Hi Rachel,
I assume that all whole milks naturally have VA, and most low-fat milk products have VA supplement. I'm betting that all farm foods vary a bit according to diet as well, so that nutrition data bases are only an estimate.
I think that some people wonder whether VA hides in casein? (I'm not a Dr. Smith group member).
I guess the first thing is, obviously you don't want to eat foods with VA supplement in them. So, you can check the label or, even better, check with the company. The company might not even know the real truth (rolls eyes) I've heard that yogurt companies often begin with dried milk.
I like to assume that the worst VA is probably in the fat of milk products, not in the protein. So, I do consume home-skimmed milk. If I was going to eat yogurt, I'd make it myself. You can find a farmer on realmilk.com.
When I looked into it, goat milk actually had more pre-formed A and less carotene than cow. I suppose that is why goat butter is white.
I've heard some things that even farmers are expected to put VA supplement in their skim milk! (rolls eyes). So, buying it whole and raw and skimming it yourself might not be a bad idea. Home-made yogurt is even better than store. I have found that a quick, gentle pasteurization (and then cooling before adding culture) is a good idea before making yogurt. Culturing raw milk ends up with a liquid rather than a custard.
All dairy foods are a big no no, they all have plenty of vitamin A. It's in both the fat and in the protein, dairy protein is unique in the way it can bind to vitamin A. Goat milk and sheep milk have next to no beta-carotene but it still has plenty of lutein and retinol. So it's probably slightly less bad than cows milk when it comes to VA, but it's still full of vitamin A and I don't think you would make a lot of progress if you consume any dairy.
Quote from salt on October 12, 2020, 4:45 amAll dairy foods are a big no no, they all have plenty of vitamin A. It's in both the fat and in the protein, dairy protein is unique in the way it can bind to vitamin A. Goat milk and sheep milk have next to no beta-carotene but it still has plenty of lutein and retinol. So it's probably slightly less bad than cows milk when it comes to VA, but it's still full of vitamin A and I don't think you would make a lot of progress if you consume any dairy.
Something in the raw skim keeps the nerves in my right arm happy. I don't have to drink much, slightly under a 1/2 gallon a week. My taste buds agree, and all other coffee whiteners get the big ICK from them.
HOWEVER, (about to be metaphysical) My home is often a metaphor for myself. I'm struggling to detox/remodel my home and it is moving agonizingly slowly and my house is filled with JUNK. There is always something stopping progress of the renovations, and every time I do get rid of junk, more arrives! I'm always moving junk from room to room, it's like a full-time job.
Thanks for the replies!
I heard something possibly negative about coconut fat, but since I've been on modified diet for a decade, the one milk that I've arrived at using when necessary to have something creamy is Aroy-D 100% coconut milk. It has no additives. I really enjoy a decaf Americano at Starbucks with this coconut milk.
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Just joined Dr. Smith's Nutrition-Restored because I need a good starting place and to not bombard this forum.
I started drinking goat milk. I feel like I miss bioavailable calcium, but I always had a problem with casein in cw dairy. In my worst when my leaky gut was really bad I would get huge cystic acne after eating cottage cheese. But the caseine in goat/sheep milk is different and what I like about goat milk is that the fat droplets are much smaller. So it's basically homogenized by nature.. I always felt like homogenized cows milk is not good for us.. Even if I would drink 1L a day it would be under 2000iu and because the rest of the diet is low vit A I think it will be ok.. It will give me so much highly bioavailable nutrition that is very hard to get otherwise. Vegans can talk about minerals in plants all day, but the difference of something like almond milk vs goat milk is crazy.. Hopefully all this bioavailable calcium, vit D, K2 etc. will fix my sensitive/transparent teeth as well..
That's nice @jiri that you've found a source of goat milk. My goat milk source has dried up, darn it. So I have to drink raw cow. I only drink about a glass a day. It is comfort food for me. I've always felt it helps the nerves in my arm that are goofed up from typing so much my entire life. Mine is free range and organic and quite expensive. I suppose that the VA content changes with the seasons (as per our discussion on the other thread) ;0 I sometimes wonder if those of us who can, genetically, digest milk... actually need it.
Published reports have shown either no relationship or only a modestly positive relationship between dietary calcium and cortical bone mass. Garn et al. (1969) found the same rate of loss of metacarpal cortical mass in more than 5,800 subjects from seven countries, despite wide variations in calcium intake between groups. In fact, low calcium intakes by some ethnic groups were associated with bone mass values higher than in groups with high calcium intakes over a lifetime.
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The long-term effects of calcium supplementation on bone mass are not yet established. The results of short-term investigations (2 years or less) are mixed. In general, they show a slowing of bone loss measured at sites composed mostly of cortical bone but not at sites composed of trabecular bone.
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The evidence relating calcium supplementation to fracture prevalence is scanty.
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There is no completely satisfactory animal model of age-related or postmenopausal osteoporosis.
In my opinion it's more important to understand what causes lack of cellular absorption and retention when it comes to calcium, magnesium and potassium rather than trying to get more of these minerals in the diet. Often people are concerned with trying to get more of just one of these minerals which doesn't make sense to me.
We know that vit A elevates calcitriol which messes with all three of these minerals.
I just can't see how milk is a good food. The carbohydrate portion is totally unsuitable for adult humans. The fat portion is full of vit A. The protein portion is full of difficult to digest, problematic and bioactive proteins. It's the only food that wasn't available in the paleolithic, even many people from gene pools that consumed dairy still don't have lactase persistence. If you read about how dairy was viewed in the middle ages it wasn't viewed as natures perfect food, it was a food for peasants that couldn't afford much meat. It has a totally imbalanced mineral profile with far too much calcium compared with magnesium and potassium, good for a young growing animal, potentially harmful for an adult human. Even human milk is lower in calcium.
@tim-2 that's cool. But for now I feel like my diet is highly unbalanced and that I need bioavailable calcium. Dairy is by far the best source of it.
@lil-chick here in Czech Republic is a lot of goat farms that sell their products in regular supermarkets.. I don't care much about organic etc.. I have issue with the type of casein that is in cows milk. So it doesn't matter if it's from factory farm animal or New Zealand organic cows.. Will see. I really try to be open minded. I will try it if it works I will keep dong it and if I start to feel like it's not good for me now like I felt with whole eggs for example. I will stop..