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Supplements whilst on Low/no Vit A diet

Im a little lost with where to start with supplements re VA

From what I gather it would be 

B1
B2
Molybdenum
Selenium 

What am I missing?

Zinc and magnesium are useful too. Zinc need at some point will reduce from what I’ve heard. 

I think the B requirements will be somewhat individual, depending on which Bs are being made in your microbiome. Dysbiosis will affect this balance. Also what else is going on in your system to deplete Bs. Tim talks about vA metabolism requiring B2, so I imagine that this is under high demand, and vA toxicity gave me B2 deficiency symptoms. Pyroluria depletes B6. Excess aldehydes (including retinaldehyde) deplete B1, B6, B9. Sulphur issues can deplete B1. I think that B1 is a definite issue with many. Garrett Smith made a video about vA depleting B9 and B12. I personally think that B6 is a big issue with me (many reasons) and I’m back to supplementing. I should have stayed on my pyroluria protocol throughout this. It’s a regret.

I don’t know if supplementing is the way or whether careful diet choices are better. Dr Gominak has an interesting theory that supplementing with all the Bs for 3 months helps to re establish the gut microbiome balance. She says that 3/4 (can’t remember) phyla are required for symbiotic B production and that providing all allows the system to re balance. She says that Bs are obtained from the microbiome largely. Interesting theory. I have no idea if it is true but it makes sense. 

@kiero everyone has different deficiency and/or toxicity it's best to do hair tissue analysis for metals and minerals and blood tests for vitamins and also systemic proteins like ferritin, ceruloplasmin etc.. But generally I think that most people will do ok with some extra B1,B2, choline, zinc, selenium, iodine, molybdenum, magnesium, chromium..

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I’ve monitored with hair tests and my chromium has always been good with no supplement. My molybdenum took a massive dive after a few months vA detoxing though. 

@jaj yes most people are low in molybdenum. My was alway low on hair test.. I thing something like 200-400mcg every other day is good dose. Too much can deplete copper very fast.. Same with zinc.. I always take zinc or molybdenum at night. So when I eat some copper foods during the day I can absorb it.. When you take for example zinc in the morning you basically block copper absorption in the intestine..

Quote from Jiří on October 12, 2021, 12:33 am

@kiero everyone has different deficiency and/or toxicity it's best to do hair tissue analysis for metals and minerals and blood tests for vitamins and also systemic proteins like ferritin, ceruloplasmin etc.. But generally I think that most people will do ok with some extra B1,B2, choline, zinc, selenium, iodine, molybdenum, magnesium, chromium..

Hey yeah I 3 hair mineral analysis' over the course of 6 years and each came back with low molybdenum.

Thanks for your reply 

@kiero and I forgot if you have low or no sun exposure. vit D capsules like 5000iu a day.. Especially for people with chronic vit A toxicity.. Dr. Smith and his "rat poison" arguments are laughable.. Everything can be rat poison if you give enough dose + rats are not humans. They have probably completely different vit D metabolism then humans.. If you give the equivalent of 5000-10 000iu of vit D3 that humans take to rat what will happen? Nothing..   

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Quote from Jiří on October 12, 2021, 3:14 am

@kiero and I forgot if you have low or no sun exposure. vit D capsules like 5000iu a day.. Especially for people with chronic vit A toxicity.. Dr. Smith and his "rat poison" arguments are laughable.. Everything can be rat poison if you give enough dose + rats are not humans. They have probably completely different vit D metabolism then humans.. 

The sun is better, it's more than VD. But if you eat a lot of PUFA, it can cause problems.

@daniil Yes "the sun is better" everybody knows that but how this info is helpful to people who simply can't get enough sunlight because they don't live in Florida LOL... So just because sun is better people who don't see the sun like 6 months in a year shouldn't take D3 capsules? I wouldn't take D3 living in California that's for sure.. Here in Czech Republic basically from now to end of march people have no sunlight. They go to work and it's dark. They go out of work and it's dark and if they can be outside and the sun is up. It's not strong enough and it's cold. Nobody will run around naked.. Btw not just PUFA are problem when you are exposed to sunlight. It can be also iron, vit A, low melanin synthesis for whatever reason. But most importantly sunlight is simply source of oxidative damage to the skin and if your body is not healthy and can't handle extra oxidative stress from that sunlight it's not good for you.. When I feel like shit on the sun I know my body can't handle that UVA/UVB damage to the skin.. It's very rare for me to feel good on the sun..

Quote from Jiří on October 12, 2021, 3:25 am

@daniil Yes "the sun is better" everybody knows that but how this info is helpful to people who simply can't get enough sunlight because they don't live in Florida LOL... So just because sun is better people who don't see the sun like 6 months in a year shouldn't take D3 capsules? I wouldn't take D3 living in California that's for sure.. Here in Czech Republic basically from now to end of march people have no sunlight. They go to work and it's dark. They go out of work and it's dark and if they can be outside and the sun is up. It's not strong enough and it's cold. Nobody will run around naked.. Btw not just PUFA are problem when you are exposed to sunlight. It can be also iron, vit A, low melanin synthesis for whatever reason. But most importantly sunlight is simply source of oxidative damage to the skin and if your body is not healthy and can't handle extra oxidative stress from that sunlight it's not good for you.. When I feel like shit on the sun I know my body can't handle that UVA/UVB damage to the skin.. It's very rare for me to feel good on the sun..

I wonder what could be the reasons for low melanin synthesis? Except genetics. I bet zinc overload is one of them.

I bought myself this. It seems to be working. Also, do not forget that in addition to vitamin D, there are other molecules produced in the sun.

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