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Supplements
Can we compile a list of helpful supplements that help with VA toxicity and the amounts taken
So far I have :
- Vitamin C ( maybe megadose?)
- Vitamin E ( check the source)
- Taurine
Grant advises against supplemental vE. Sunflower seeds are a good source of that. Dr. Smith has a post on taurine - doesn't seem to be helpful for most, though maybe not harmful at least. Vitamin C seems to be helpful for many things and haven't heard of any real downsides except for stomach upset and loose stools which can be helped with taking a buffered source or taking less.
Zinc can help some people but you need to get blood labs for both zinc and copper to see if you are deficient. Zinc is needed to make retinol binding protein. Topical magnesium seems to be helpful in general and most are deficient. I am not sure if you can overdo it with topical magnesium. I am sure other minerals would be helpful if deficient but it is hard to figure out sometimes.
Or maybe just ignore me and everyone else and just do what Grant did or recommends which is to mostly stay away from supplements except for maybe vC, though I don't remember everything I have read on that.
I’m taking C and topical mag and find both helpful. Maybe I won’t need them after I’m through with detox?!?!
I tried taurine and didn’t notice anything but that’s just me.
My toddler's behavior and sleep took a turn for the worst while using a cream that contained vitamin E. I would be careful with it.
He also developed some fungi issues around the time I used the product and it might be related.
Whole grains, nuts, and seeds provide ample zinc, copper, calcium, magnesium and vitamin E. 1 lemon provides 50% of your daily vitamin C along with other useful nutrients. Technically no need to supplement. Also, the fiber helps cleave and reduce absorption of beta carotene.
I ate a whole foods diet for several years consisting of nuts, beans, eggs, fruits, veggies, grass fed beef and had very low zinc and magnesium on hair analysis and blood labs. You can not assume that you are getting enough of any certain nutrient just because you eat a diet that is "known" to be full of nutrients. There are at least a couple of reasons for this - toxcity (wastes good nutrients and makes vA more active) and lower nutrient quality of whole foods (debated by some - namely big AG). Or if you unkowingly take too much of a certain nutrient through drinking water, etc... like copper (copper pipes) that is going to drive down zinc. I am sure there are many examples of this.
As for vC - people taking megadoses have reported many benefits, ones you don't hear about when sticking to the RDA. I don't trust the government to tell me what I need. They may be right sometimes but there is too much fraud and coruption to not question their recommendations. It is the government that says dairy is healthy. BS. So why trust them on RDAs and why should it be the same for everyone?
I don't know what's worse, the government or the crazy western a pricers with their raw milk and liver diet lol
-Ron
Effect of taurine on toxicity of vitamin A in rats - ScienceDirect
Effect of taurine on toxicity of vitamin A in rats - ScienceDirect
DS/DWL
Quote from Guest on December 18, 2018, 1:37 pmI ate a whole foods diet for several years consisting of nuts, beans, eggs, fruits, veggies, grass fed beef and had very low zinc and magnesium on hair analysis and blood labs. You can not assume that you are getting enough of any certain nutrient just because you eat a diet that is "known" to be full of nutrients. There are at least a couple of reasons for this - toxcity (wastes good nutrients and makes vA more active) and lower nutrient quality of whole foods (debated by some - namely big AG). Or if you unkowingly take too much of a certain nutrient through drinking water, etc... like copper (copper pipes) that is going to drive down zinc. I am sure there are many examples of this.
As for vC - people taking megadoses have reported many benefits, ones you don't hear about when sticking to the RDA. I don't trust the government to tell me what I need. They may be right sometimes but there is too much fraud and coruption to not question their recommendations. It is the government that says dairy is healthy. BS. So why trust them on RDAs and why should it be the same for everyone?
The above comment was about whole grains, and not Whole Foods. Many people eat a Whole Foods diet that is completely unbalanced due to lack of starch or an excessive amount of protein.
If you are eating enough minerals, your body will ramp up or inhibit absorption depending on necessity. An imbalanced diet typically involves reduced absorption for good reason. Your body has little need for magnesium without enough fat or glucose to process for fuel. With lower carb diets, there is a lower conversion of T4 into T3, lowering your needs for zinc. Mineral supplements are usually not the answer if the diet is missing certain food groups(tubers and grains).
The RDA is useful as a framework, and has both good evidence and bad evidence behind it.
As for vitamin C, it is not so simple. Even though humans have lost the ability to produce Vitamin C directly, humans have evolved the ability to recycle it and do without it at times. Check this out.
At the sign of a sore throat or a cold, I often take zinc lozenges.
While at the mall today, I purchased a different brand from what I normally take of the
zinc supplement, to thwart my sore throat. After taking several lozenges while out and about, my mouth began to burn a lot! Further inspection of the product showed that it contained 2000 IU of Vitamin A as beta-carotene.
I hope this error doesn't set me back too much.