I crashed on 11/2022 with isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis. Crushing pain cut my sleep down to 3 naps in 24 hours of 15 minutes or less. Was stuck pushing up off hands (elbows when too fatigued) on walker, counter top, anything. Could not sit, stand, lay down with out severe pain.
Took a couple weeks with various docs to eliminate all suspected causes. Disc was the most dreaded. Pain did not recede. It took a couple days to realize I would never be able to eat liver again. That and previous diet study and experience put me on to idea of vitamin A toxicity. I found Garrett and Grant through Judy Cho in 12/2022. I read Grant's books and all I could of Garrett's livestreams. I exchanged and argued with Garrett for a month. I started applying Garrett's ideas 1/2023.
This was before the "order of adding stuff" list was written. Garrett started by telling me what my first steps would be. Throughout our conversations he expressed how sure he was that this would resolve. Once I got a few 90 minute naps, I started to pay attention. I scheduled my first consultation with Nathan and did the hair test.
I suffered through January and most of February with some hand holding as I slowly worked my way into the ideas on the order of adding stuff. I ran through nothing. It is more like slowly adding parts to a truck. If we add the fuel system without an electrical system and the vehicle does not run, it is not because the fuel system is worthless. Running through a list of systems is not how trucks get rebuilt. The systems need to all be set up in place working together. Any symptom is an indicator our systems are not working together.
it took me until March before I got through Phase 2 of the order - https://members.nutritiondetective.com/posts/love-your-liver-order-of-adding-stuff-short It took 3 months because each item was added individually and slowly, one item per week in tiny enough doses to cause no worse problems than I already had. By mid March I still could not take oral potassium supplements that I plainly needed. Doc, Nathan and Hope talked me through topical instead. Long hot footbaths up to my knees in hot hot water, charcoal, potassium and magnesium. Black toenails lasted 6 months.
By the end of March, 2023, I was sleeping 90 minute naps a few times a day. Finally getting completed REM cycles was my first huge improvement. At that point my wife was fine with my subscription to LYL and the costs of the consult. My first solid 10.5 hour sleep in April justified my buying the Inner Circle subscription fee.
Hanging my walker up in the laundry room on 4/15/2023 was major. I also sat down on the couch for the first time that day. I walked on my own power for the first time since 11/22/2022. I went back to work in May, 2023. I have improved almost continuously (with ups and downs) since then. I have worked with and on the "order of adding stuff" list continuously. It took me at least 6 months to get everything including phase 5 working for me. It took another 4 months to get off my B1 antidote. I am 20 months in now and still improving. I am just now starting on phase 6.
My point in all this: how long have you worked your way into the "order of adding stuff" list? Not "run through" but worked your way into. How long have you given the program, not just each item individually, but the program to work for you? How much time have you put into your own individual protocol and let it work for you.
Please understand that I relate to your situation. I am guessing you did not have the imperative (or gun to your head) nor the time that I did. While I was going through all that from December, 2022 until April 15, 2023 I put in 18 to 20 hours daily studying Grant's and Garrett's books and blogs. Besides the pain and lack of sleep I had nothing else I could do. I was stuck leaned up against a countertop, pushing down on my hands, grinding my teeth, with a laptop in front of me. My interests were focused.
Even so, my questions on LYL were more like begging. I was intent on finding how to slow down my liver my first 3 months even as everyone told me to work to improve my bile excretion in my poop instead. They were all right. When the liver is dumping out toxic bile fast enough to cause symptoms, slowing it down is not an option. Helping get the bile entirely out of the body is the best choice.
I found Garrett and Grant through Judy Cho in December. Grant's books convinced me the idea was worthwhile. It took a few weeks on Grant's blog to recognize, nobody there could help me. I needed clinical skills. It took arguing with Garrett to convince me and even then I needed to talk with successful clients he had helped ahead of me. Then I joined LYL and met a whole long list of folk ahead of me. All have been helpful since.
Like the man says, it is a marathon not a sprint. If you think a year of dabbling in LYL is a valid test of efficacy, ok. If you think the idea has some merit, then go all in, dedicate time. Start over on the "order of adding stuff" list. Go so slow in upping dosages and so low in starting dosages that you find no down side effects. Then build your own protocol up to where things start working for you.
Look for any changes good and bad. Talk with your consult and other people here with specifics. Tweek your protocol and try again. I was frustrated by potassium for a month. It was excellent when I found a way around that obstacle. I still restart the "order of adding stuff" list as often as needed.
I know this is one person's experience. I could be wrong about what it will take for this to translate into good things for you. For what it is worth, I handled the thought of my sacroiliac still ripping me up after all those months by considering that I could be wrong. Low vitamin A might not fix my problem. All these successful long timers on LYL might not help me. At that point though, knowing what I knew about vitamin A, copper and B6 toxicity, I also knew that I could not improve without addressing these problems. Searches outside of LYL showed me there is no one else out there better equipped to guide me through addressing these problems. No one else is improving as fast in clinical work in this area either.
An aside from all the above. When I woke up screaming over my sacroiliac on 11/22/2022, I was also passing kidney stones. The previous 19 years made me all too familiar with stones. I knew immediately the stones were secondary to and not causing this pain. Even so, through all those months I passed sand and grit all day and 10 flax seed size stones daily. The occasional rice grain sized stone added spice. I also had edema in both lower legs and feet that swelled more than double. Thought my right toes would burst.
So Doc and Nathan had me whining about a few symptoms all along and plenty of reasons why I could not do what they asked I try. They worked new ideas and methods to accommodate in the meantime. Bottom line was they kept me focused on ways to get the toxic bile out that paid off in little improvements, usually not the ones I sought but invaluable to the process.
And all those symptoms subsided in due course as I worked through the list and kept improving and sticking to my protocol. I never did slow down detox. Life is good and getting better as colon, kidneys, lungs and skin get less damaged and more effective at excreting toxins.
I crashed on 11/2022 with isotretinoin induced sacroiliitis. Crushing pain cut my sleep down to 3 naps in 24 hours of 15 minutes or less. Was stuck pushing up off hands (elbows when too fatigued) on walker, counter top, anything. Could not sit, stand, lay down with out severe pain.
Took a couple weeks with various docs to eliminate all suspected causes. Disc was the most dreaded. Pain did not recede. It took a couple days to realize I would never be able to eat liver again. That and previous diet study and experience put me on to idea of vitamin A toxicity. I found Garrett and Grant through Judy Cho in 12/2022. I read Grant's books and all I could of Garrett's livestreams. I exchanged and argued with Garrett for a month. I started applying Garrett's ideas 1/2023.
This was before the "order of adding stuff" list was written. Garrett started by telling me what my first steps would be. Throughout our conversations he expressed how sure he was that this would resolve. Once I got a few 90 minute naps, I started to pay attention. I scheduled my first consultation with Nathan and did the hair test.
I suffered through January and most of February with some hand holding as I slowly worked my way into the ideas on the order of adding stuff. I ran through nothing. It is more like slowly adding parts to a truck. If we add the fuel system without an electrical system and the vehicle does not run, it is not because the fuel system is worthless. Running through a list of systems is not how trucks get rebuilt. The systems need to all be set up in place working together. Any symptom is an indicator our systems are not working together.
it took me until March before I got through Phase 2 of the order - https://members.nutritiondetective.com/posts/love-your-liver-order-of-adding-stuff-short It took 3 months because each item was added individually and slowly, one item per week in tiny enough doses to cause no worse problems than I already had. By mid March I still could not take oral potassium supplements that I plainly needed. Doc, Nathan and Hope talked me through topical instead. Long hot footbaths up to my knees in hot hot water, charcoal, potassium and magnesium. Black toenails lasted 6 months.
By the end of March, 2023, I was sleeping 90 minute naps a few times a day. Finally getting completed REM cycles was my first huge improvement. At that point my wife was fine with my subscription to LYL and the costs of the consult. My first solid 10.5 hour sleep in April justified my buying the Inner Circle subscription fee.
Hanging my walker up in the laundry room on 4/15/2023 was major. I also sat down on the couch for the first time that day. I walked on my own power for the first time since 11/22/2022. I went back to work in May, 2023. I have improved almost continuously (with ups and downs) since then. I have worked with and on the "order of adding stuff" list continuously. It took me at least 6 months to get everything including phase 5 working for me. It took another 4 months to get off my B1 antidote. I am 20 months in now and still improving. I am just now starting on phase 6.
My point in all this: how long have you worked your way into the "order of adding stuff" list? Not "run through" but worked your way into. How long have you given the program, not just each item individually, but the program to work for you? How much time have you put into your own individual protocol and let it work for you.
Please understand that I relate to your situation. I am guessing you did not have the imperative (or gun to your head) nor the time that I did. While I was going through all that from December, 2022 until April 15, 2023 I put in 18 to 20 hours daily studying Grant's and Garrett's books and blogs. Besides the pain and lack of sleep I had nothing else I could do. I was stuck leaned up against a countertop, pushing down on my hands, grinding my teeth, with a laptop in front of me. My interests were focused.
Even so, my questions on LYL were more like begging. I was intent on finding how to slow down my liver my first 3 months even as everyone told me to work to improve my bile excretion in my poop instead. They were all right. When the liver is dumping out toxic bile fast enough to cause symptoms, slowing it down is not an option. Helping get the bile entirely out of the body is the best choice.
I found Garrett and Grant through Judy Cho in December. Grant's books convinced me the idea was worthwhile. It took a few weeks on Grant's blog to recognize, nobody there could help me. I needed clinical skills. It took arguing with Garrett to convince me and even then I needed to talk with successful clients he had helped ahead of me. Then I joined LYL and met a whole long list of folk ahead of me. All have been helpful since.
Like the man says, it is a marathon not a sprint. If you think a year of dabbling in LYL is a valid test of efficacy, ok. If you think the idea has some merit, then go all in, dedicate time. Start over on the "order of adding stuff" list. Go so slow in upping dosages and so low in starting dosages that you find no down side effects. Then build your own protocol up to where things start working for you.
Look for any changes good and bad. Talk with your consult and other people here with specifics. Tweek your protocol and try again. I was frustrated by potassium for a month. It was excellent when I found a way around that obstacle. I still restart the "order of adding stuff" list as often as needed.
I know this is one person's experience. I could be wrong about what it will take for this to translate into good things for you. For what it is worth, I handled the thought of my sacroiliac still ripping me up after all those months by considering that I could be wrong. Low vitamin A might not fix my problem. All these successful long timers on LYL might not help me. At that point though, knowing what I knew about vitamin A, copper and B6 toxicity, I also knew that I could not improve without addressing these problems. Searches outside of LYL showed me there is no one else out there better equipped to guide me through addressing these problems. No one else is improving as fast in clinical work in this area either.
An aside from all the above. When I woke up screaming over my sacroiliac on 11/22/2022, I was also passing kidney stones. The previous 19 years made me all too familiar with stones. I knew immediately the stones were secondary to and not causing this pain. Even so, through all those months I passed sand and grit all day and 10 flax seed size stones daily. The occasional rice grain sized stone added spice. I also had edema in both lower legs and feet that swelled more than double. Thought my right toes would burst.
So Doc and Nathan had me whining about a few symptoms all along and plenty of reasons why I could not do what they asked I try. They worked new ideas and methods to accommodate in the meantime. Bottom line was they kept me focused on ways to get the toxic bile out that paid off in little improvements, usually not the ones I sought but invaluable to the process.
And all those symptoms subsided in due course as I worked through the list and kept improving and sticking to my protocol. I never did slow down detox. Life is good and getting better as colon, kidneys, lungs and skin get less damaged and more effective at excreting toxins.
