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They say vA is needed to properly utilize copper...
I'm curious if Grant or anyone here who has been very low on vA for a good while checked their copper status like serum copper or more importantly ceruloplasmin?
Hi John, there have been several discussions about copper, Jiri was especially interested in copper and it seems like a very complicated subject. You can put copper into the search bar and see that some people have definitely posted their copper status as parts of discussions.
I can sort of see how people might theorize that things that started as plant pigments (vitamin A) might help to color humans, but at this point I'm going to guess that it doesn't. I think humans have our own methods of coloring ourselves. (melanocytes etc). And I think if we eat too many carotenes we actually get dyed orange and it isn't good for us at all.
White hair is a known symptom of VA-overload and we've even had some people's hair darken over time. So, my guess would be that VA-overload somehow interferes with the USAGE of copper to color hair.
In VA-overload what is available in the blood isn't always what gets into the cells and tissues. The cells and tissues aren't quite working properly. Problems like "type 2" diabetes and "type 2" thyroid happen where cells and tissues are "deaf" to hormones...
I wonder if that is true of copper too? Perhaps in VA-overload the copper is there, the melanocytes just aren't working right.
Thanks... did a search and saw @jiri comment below.
"@r-2 NOOOOOO BRO I said you need to test ceruloplasmin WITH COPPER and zinc at the same time so you can see how much of that copper is free(toxic)... Just by looking at ceruloplasmin we can't tell if it's good or bad..
@salt yes gray hair can be from copper deficiency, but also due to copper toxicity.. You need to realize that there is hardly any real copper deficiency.. Try to eat low copper diet. It's maybe even harder than low vit A diet.. Simply copper needs to be bound to ceruloplasmin so it can work. The problem is the more copper toxic you are the less ceruloplasmin you can make. So more copper toxicity= more copper deficiency symptoms because you have plenty of copper in the liver, but without ceruloplasmin you can't use it... THe only reason why someone can be deficient in copper is taking high doses of copper antagonists for years something like 10g of vit C, 50 or more mg of zinc, 400 or more mcg of molybdenum etc.. That can be dangerous for sure. But like I said for most people they will have copper deficiency symptoms due to low ceruloplasmin synthesis a not due to low copper.. We don't need more than 1-2mg of copper a day. It's crazy easy to get from the diet.. Another big issue with copper are hormones. Estrogen retains copper in the body. Today most people have too much estrogen due to high body fat, estrogens like chemicals etc.. Basically stress, estrogen depletes zinc and increase copper in the body.. I would never ever take copper again. If you think you have low copper make sure that you are not taking more than 15mg of zinc a day, around 500-1000mg of vit C a maybe 200mcg of molybdenum a day and you can eat more legumes or some cashews, buckwheat and you will have plenty of copper... People that take 5-10mg of copper a day and say they feel good it's because copper is strong stimulant. It will up your stress hormones and burnou out your adrenals. THan your ceruloplasmin crashes and you will end up with serious issues.. Like cancer, or some MS, alzheimer etc.. "
I might have induced copper deficiency when I was taking like 3 grams of buffered vC a day for three months with trials of zing and molybdenum and by 3 months my health plummeted, I would've died if I didn't actively avoid EMF's, increased my sensitive to critical. But I can't be sure because being mercury toxic for 40 years with 8 mercury filling sin my mouth, is said to increase copper toxicity. My ceruloplasmin is normal from recent and past test.
OK I just read about copper deficiency in goats and totally edited my last reply. It looks like there are two kinds of copper deficiency in goats. One is just low copper in the diet, and two is when you are getting too many minerals that block absorption of copper.
Iron, zinc, molybdenum and others are mentioned. I guess that is interesting because some people here think that iron overload goes hand-in-hand with VA overload.
That's weird I've been on this forum a long time and haven't had that error message that I can remember. And then you were able to post the above? I guess that shows us that if we type in a really long message we should probably save a copy before we hit submit! Hmm. What a bummer!
That happens when it logs you out while you were writing the reply. I've learned the hard way at least twice!
@lil-chick Yes, I usually do that but totally forgot.
@janelle525 you are correct it has happened on here before but it's been a while since I've been on here.
@jiri Forgive me for the delay, I'm in the very critical stages of EMF and Chemical Sensitivity, my days the past few months have been searching for a safe place to stay where I'm not being tortured before my body gives out. I've mentioned EMF's many times in this forum and you are the first one that has ever showed any curiosity into the matter. I am glad that you asked. The human condition is a strange thing, if someone said they came from the future in a serious manner and wanted you to believe them, would we not ask entertain ourselves a bit and ask them a few simple questions to determine the truth of the matter and call them out on things that don't make sense? But when it has to do with EMF's and Wireless harm, 99.99% of people automatically dismiss the whole idea as nonsense. The reason for that is because the propaganda and misdirection against it is already instilled in our subconscious by the media, in the news, institutions, tv, movies, etc. The best way to hide the truth is through these means. Questions must be asked until you understand as much as you can about me as a person who has been living with the knowledge of this affliction for the past 6 or 7 years. It is the biggest piece of the puzzle to understanding health, the health system, and seeing a reality that is closer to truth than without. I am here to share everything I have been through and what I have learned to help you and the members of this forum understand how big of a role this plays in people who are unhealthy. Unhealthy people have a higher likely hood of being effected by EMF's and Wireless. It's like having the flu, a bar and club with loud music will make one sicker when otherwise it would be a non-issue and even fun. EMF's/RF I describe as what sugar is to diabetes. You're fine not paying attention or counting sugar consumption until the onset of diabetes and your not anymore.
About 5-6 year ago EMF's forced me out of homes and apartments and into a semi shielded van parking in streets and parking lots that are low level enough in EMF's and RF(wireless) not to effect me, and that has gotten more difficult every year as my sensitivity worsens. I've dwelled in the city for as long as I can now for the convenience and pushing the dread of living off grid as long as I can. I have been working to equip my van to test out BLM lands because the one location that has been low enough for me to sleep in without major inflammatory symptoms is not longer safe and the longer I'm exposed to high levels, the worse my symptoms get. The top two concerns at the moment are finding an EMF/RF free location to park and sleep with out major inflammatory reactions and my lungs not being inflamed by chemicals, as living on in a van I am always near traffic and exhaust and the last few months my lungs have been inflamed for longer than I have every experience. To the point where I feel like it may have reached a point of no return to healing. It doesn't help that the two safe locations that I dwell during the day has traffic all day blowing into my van. It's has been one hell of a journey the past 7 years, 12 years actually, and after becoming aware and understanding it more, I realized it's been a factor my whole life since my first memory of life of around 5 years old.
To answer your question about symptoms, the list is the longest of any condition I've read about, longer than that of mercury poisoning, although actually, EMF's/RF and MCS(mulitple chemical sensitivity) can be listed as a symptom of mercury toxicity.
The symptoms depends on what stage of sensitivity your in, your age, location, exposure levels, duration of exposures, types of emf exposures, and if you other underlying conditions as it weakens you to EMF's/RF. At my current stage in addition to what I've described above, exposure to even the lowest levels, causes joint pains and swelling, nervousness, losing my train of thought, forgetting what i was about to do, or why I came into a room, word finding issues, stuttering, numbness and aching of the my nervous system in the spine neck and brain, it's like i'm being slowing electrocuted from the inside out without the shock you would get from high voltage. It's probably is literally a low level shock that harms my cells in every organ and tissues but not all equally. A lot of these symptoms I experienced already have names like arthritis, adhd, anxiety disorder, alzheimers, autoimmune disorder, psychosis, schizophrenia, bipolar, depression, irritable bowel syndrome, periodontal issues, losing teeth to infections from (inflammation). There is a movie I saw recently called Leave the World Behind with Julia Roberts, there's an EMP weapons threat and then then there's a part where people start losing there teeth. For people in the know like myself. It's as clear as day that they know, they have been making movies for a long time basically of their reality, showing us the truth, without us even knowing it. It's only for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. There are lots of these truth's found in movies and tv shows and music, pretty much in any artform. I digress, anyhow there are more symptoms with names of diagnosis for diseases and failures of every organ and cancers. It's sounds so crazy that I'm saying electricity is behind most of the symptoms and illness found in the mainstream health system we know it. What the system is waiting for is for to be exposed to the point my organs start failing. I have been fighting that off through avoidance these past 7 years. If I had stayed in my apt 6 years ago, there is no doubt I would have died from some kind of organ failure or cancer within a years time. It was that bad. The fast progression was probably my doing as I was trying different health protocols and supplements.. that is another hell of a journey in and of itself.
12 years ago I started getting really bad anxiety, paranoia and mental symptoms. It use to get really bad once or twice a year that would push me into psychosis. Each year I learned to better mentally handle it, a lot of it is letting the flight and fight take over. It's hard to keep the mind calm when the body is telling you in the worse way that your in a life and death situation due probably to a constant release of andrenaline and whatever other fight or flight hormones, cortisol... etc and your heart is racing, but it can be done. What helps most actually is avoidance of EMFs. I have managed my anxiety just by doing that. The onset of anxiety and paranoia happened in the past 5 years in times of prolonged exposure and gut dysbiosis. That's another major issue, and probaly one of the underlying causes of EMF'RF sensitivities. My sensitivity went sever when I had a gut infection of some sort and it seemed like overnight I became extremely senstivive but didn't know it. I would get dizzy using my phone, and suddenly I couldn't even drink Arizona Green tea anymore, the sugar would make me so sick, and all the food sensitivity all came about the same time. Everything is connected, EMF's, Mercury Toxixicity, heavy metals, gut dysbiosis, mental and health issues, once a domino falls they all fall eventually one by one. I'll end it hear and open myself up to questions.
May I ask why you believe your might EMF sensitive?
EMF/RF sensitivity goes hand in hand with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. I noticed I was sensitive to ciggarette smoke and charcoal bbq smoke way back in the early 90's as a highschooler. Way before I became aware of my EMF sensitivity, but after becoming aware, I realized I showed signs of EMF sensitivity since I was 5 years old. So I'm guessing you may already be aware of some sensitivity to chemical smells?
@john I think that copper overload is the main reason why someone has insane EMF sensitivity and other people have no ill effect from it.. A lot of symptoms you just described actually look like issues with copper metabolism.. I deal with copper issues as well so I think that is also the main reason why I had issues with EMF also.. It is not so bad now, but still far from healed.. I also think that everything wireless is damaging the body. Just people who don't have copper overload don't feel it so obviously.. I would recommend hair tissue mineral analysis and blood test for copper and ceruloplasmin.. So you can see what is going on. Simply there has to be explanation of why you react to things that most people don't.. What is not helpful to say to yourself "Omg EMF is everywhere it is slowly killing me no matter what.." Well as you can see majority of the world live "normal" life and don't think about stuff like EMF. Why because their body simply can deal with it. Their system is strong enough to deal with no so good stuff like EMF for example.. So don't worry about everything wrong that is around us. Just say to yourself that you just need to get stronger. So you can deal with it like other people.. I don't know your story if you had some childhood trauma and becaues of that you are creating a lot of stress for your body just with thinking about stuff or you had some toxin exposure, or you was masturbating a lot as a teen and lost all your zinc or whatever. There is so many reasons why your body can't handle stuff that average person can handle.. In my case it was shit storm of everything together. Not just one thing. It was one reason after another that builds up and the body just crashes.. The best part about all this is that your body is amazing organism created by very long evolution that is ALWAYS trying to balance things out. We just have to let him do it. Give him what it needs and not stepping in all the time..