Quote from Jiří on October 8, 2022, 2:42 am

@kurtis I experienced "detox" first 6 months on low vit A diet for sure. Simply after 10+ years of ingesting huge amounts of vit A I suddenly stopped.. So for the first time in daceda the body could actually start releasing some of the vit A. Not just storring it all the time.. So I started having symptoms like I was ingesting even more vit A or when I was taking accutane.. The body was simply duping loads of vit A from the liver to the blood.. Because like I said for the first time in decade my blood level of vit A was low.. So for me I was 100% vit A toxic and I had detox period. After that intense period it was coming in waves. So for example couple of weeks I was feeling great. Nice very smooth skin without dried flaky spots etc.. and out of nowhere even when I didn't change nothing in my diet etc.. symptoms were back like I am on accutane again.. Very dry eyes, lips, very dry flaky skin, sun sensitivity etc.. This was less and less common. Now after 3 years it almost doesn't happen. So I agree with you that I don't think vit A is a problem for everyone. But for me it was for sure and I am glad that I find out about this vit A chronic toxicity issue from Matt Stone and his blog.. I think I would be dead by now if I still continued with insane things like taking cod liver oil, vit A supplements, eating liver, 5 egg yolks a day, ghee, cheeses etc.. I understand my body much better now. It saved my ass..

Quote from Liz on October 8, 2022, 3:17 am

I second Jiri above. Same for me, I probably would have been dead as well. K am actually quite surprise I didn't get more sick than I was, considering years of high A and being broguht up on A fortified dairy and regular liver. Eliminating A has been a huge gamechanger for me as well. But it wasn't the whole story. During my A elimination i was forced to take a lot of antibiotisk due to surgery, nephroatomy procedure and a bunch of other stuff. I know for a fact those killed off my oxalobacter because all of a sudden I got back pain from dark chocolate and rhubarb which never happened previously (and label stated it did in fact do so). However I didn't think much of it until I let myself be influenced by Garrett Smith and started eating whole foods that's when shit hit the fan, again. 

So yes @kurtis good point there, not everyone is A poisoned and there is def more to it. But the research is pretty clear about its toxicity. Our tolerance is, however, pretty individual. The dose makes the poison. That is probably why not everyone gets Grant's results. Other factors could have played in as well in his case, like mercury (from the tuna) AMD oxalates (from the spinach etc) amongst other things. Hard to say. But he recoverede from CKD, which can be causerd by both A and oxalates, so either way he is on to something. 

Edit: pardon my spelling, my danish autocorrect keep on butting in 😆

Quote from Kurtis on October 8, 2022, 3:21 am

Quote from Jiří on October 8, 2022, 2:42 am

@kurtis I experienced "detox" first 6 months on low vit A diet for sure. Simply after 10+ years of ingesting huge amounts of vit A I suddenly stopped.. So for the first time in daceda the body could actually start releasing some of the vit A. Not just storring it all the time.. So I started having symptoms like I was ingesting even more vit A or when I was taking accutane.. The body was simply duping loads of vit A from the liver to the blood.. Because like I said for the first time in decade my blood level of vit A was low.. So for me I was 100% vit A toxic and I had detox period. After that intense period it was coming in waves. So for example couple of weeks I was feeling great. Nice very smooth skin without dried flaky spots etc.. and out of nowhere even when I didn't change nothing in my diet etc.. symptoms were back like I am on accutane again.. Very dry eyes, lips, very dry flaky skin, sun sensitivity etc.. This was less and less common. Now after 3 years it almost doesn't happen. So I agree with you that I don't think vit A is a problem for everyone. But for me it was for sure and I am glad that I find out about this vit A chronic toxicity issue from Matt Stone and his blog.. I think I would be dead by now if I still continued with insane things like taking cod liver oil, vit A supplements, eating liver, 5 egg yolks a day, ghee, cheeses etc.. I understand my body much better now. It saved my ass..

Sure but any normal nutritionist could have looked at your diet and saw that you were consuming too much vitamin A. This is nothing new. Humans have known for centuries that consuming too much VA can be toxic. The idea that people should severely limit vitamin A from the diet if they are sick hasn't been backed up by any peoples experiences here.

Quote from Liz on October 8, 2022, 3:26 am

Quote from Kurtis on October 8, 2022, 3:21 am

Quote from Jiří on October 8, 2022, 2:42 am

@kurtis I experienced "detox" first 6 months on low vit A diet for sure. Simply after 10+ years of ingesting huge amounts of vit A I suddenly stopped.. So for the first time in daceda the body could actually start releasing some of the vit A. Not just storring it all the time.. So I started having symptoms like I was ingesting even more vit A or when I was taking accutane.. The body was simply duping loads of vit A from the liver to the blood.. Because like I said for the first time in decade my blood level of vit A was low.. So for me I was 100% vit A toxic and I had detox period. After that intense period it was coming in waves. So for example couple of weeks I was feeling great. Nice very smooth skin without dried flaky spots etc.. and out of nowhere even when I didn't change nothing in my diet etc.. symptoms were back like I am on accutane again.. Very dry eyes, lips, very dry flaky skin, sun sensitivity etc.. This was less and less common. Now after 3 years it almost doesn't happen. So I agree with you that I don't think vit A is a problem for everyone. But for me it was for sure and I am glad that I find out about this vit A chronic toxicity issue from Matt Stone and his blog.. I think I would be dead by now if I still continued with insane things like taking cod liver oil, vit A supplements, eating liver, 5 egg yolks a day, ghee, cheeses etc.. I understand my body much better now. It saved my ass..

Sure but any normal nutritionist could have looked at your diet and saw that you were consuming too much vitamin A. This is nothing new. Humans have known for centuries that consuming too much VA can be toxic. The idea that people should severely limit vitamin A from the diet if they are sick hasn't been backed up by any peoples experiences here.

Actually normal nutritionists don't see that. Neither does doctors. And neither draws the conclution too much A = disease. A lot of knowledge has been lost when modern medicine and their profit driven work took over 🤷‍♀️ 

Quote from Kurtis on October 8, 2022, 3:32 am

Quote from Liz on October 8, 2022, 3:17 am

I second Jiri above. Same for me, I probably would have been dead as well. K am actually quite surprise I didn't get more sick than I was, considering years of high A and being broguht up on A fortified dairy and regular liver. Eliminating A has been a huge gamechanger for me as well. But it wasn't the whole story. During my A elimination i was forced to take a lot of antibiotisk due to surgery, nephroatomy procedure and a bunch of other stuff. I know for a fact those killed off my oxalobacter because all of a sudden I got back pain from dark chocolate and rhubarb which never happened previously (and label stated it did in fact do so). However I didn't think much of it until I let myself be influenced by Garrett Smith and started eating whole foods that's when shit hit the fan, again. 

So yes @kurtis good point there, not everyone is A poisoned and there is def more to it. But the research is pretty clear about its toxicity. Our tolerance is, however, pretty individual. The dose makes the poison. That is probably why not everyone gets Grant's results. Other factors could have played in as well in his case, like mercury (from the tuna) AMD oxalates (from the spinach etc) amongst other things. Hard to say. But he recoverede from CKD, which can be causerd by both A and oxalates, so either way he is on to something. 

Edit: pardon my spelling, my danish autocorrect keep on butting in

No Grant cannot be used as evidence because his diet isn't just a low VA diet, it's a low everything diet. VA isn't the only variable excluded. Ontop of that such a restrictive diet hasn't yielded the same results for other people emulating what he eats therefore he hasn't discovered anything other than a severely restrictive elimination diet, which has always been known to be a hit or miss for people's health.

Quote from Kurtis on October 8, 2022, 3:38 am

Also cutting out dairy and eggs isn't "eliminating vitamin A". People can have very bad reactions to even tiny amounts of these foods regardless of how much vitamin A is in them,people can have really bad reactions to skim milk which is very low in VA, and egg whites which have none.

Quote from Jiří on October 8, 2022, 3:40 am

@kurtis that is not the case. It is not like I had no idea about  nutrition before starting with vit A detox.. In eyes of "nutritionist" my diet was very healthy full of micronutrients and balanced.. It's not like I was eating pound a liver a day or something. But I was eating all foods that are highest in vit A in small amounts every day for dacade.. Another thing is that the same diet for someone else could be perfectly fine. If that person doesn't have other health issue. Can have sun exposure daily etc.. So in fact I started to get sick because of "healthy diet" that is recommended by many nutritionists.. Before that I was on bodybuilding diet basically meat and rice and I was ok. The problem started when I started with stupid diets like keto, paleo, Ray Peat, Morley Robbins etc..

Quote from Kurtis on October 8, 2022, 3:45 am

Quote from Jiří on October 8, 2022, 3:40 am

@kurtis that is not the case. It is not like I had no idea about  nutrition before starting with vit A detox.. In eyes of "nutritionist" my diet was very healthy full of micronutrients and balanced.. It's not like I was eating pound a liver a day or something. But I was eating all foods that are highest in vit A in small amounts every day for dacade.. Another thing is that the same diet for someone else could be perfectly fine. If that person doesn't have other health issue. Can have sun exposure daily etc.. So in fact I started to get sick because of "healthy diet" that is recommended by many nutritionists.. Before that I was on bodybuilding diet basically meat and rice and I was ok. The problem started when I started with stupid diets like keto, paleo, Ray Peat, Morley Robbins etc..

Grants grand hypothesis is that people are sick because they eat too much VA and that it's not a vitamin at all, this is false because many people who are sick try the very restrictive low VA diet and don't heal all their health problems, some people actually feel worse but people here want to say it's "detox". They may heal a little bit but you can't chalk that up to VA alone because of how many things are excluded on a low VA diet. I can't spell this out any simpler for you.

Quote from Kurtis on October 8, 2022, 4:37 am

Quote from Arena on October 8, 2022, 4:22 am

@kurtis you might have just presented the worst strawman in history of mankind. Your arrogant last sentence stands in such high contrast to the shining ignorance that I'm honestly left dumbfounded here...  

I don't really care, I'm pointing what I'm observing through personal experience with the diet and reading people's logs. Doesn't matter how much you believe in Grants grand theory if it's wrong.