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Vitamin A antagonizes vitamin D
Quote from Janelle525 on December 15, 2023, 8:55 amQuote from lil chick on December 15, 2023, 7:58 amQuote from Janelle525 on December 14, 2023, 6:42 pmQuote from Nat on December 14, 2023, 6:30 pmWhy is the Weston A Price foundation (especially Sally Fallon) so obsessed with cod liver oil? Do you think it's an innocent mistake, or intentional harm?
What about their other teachings? Are they recommending any other harmful practices besides taking cod liver oil?
Because their leader Dr Weston A Price used cod liver oil and pasture butter along with generally a good diet to cure tooth decay. I have no idea how it did that though! I used both during my pregnancy with my younger son and he had horrible baby teeth almost every single baby tooth had decay soon after they came in. I knew people who claimed it worked. I think it was more likely the 'x-factor' Price called it in the butter. Which was later found out to be vitamin K2. So you could just take vitamin K2 and not become toxic in vitamin A and consume rancid oil. Price even warned not to use too much cod liver oil I can't remember what he said about it.
Edited to add: I just remember Sally Fallon may have had financial ties with the producer of fermented cod liver oil as well I can't remember, this was so long ago!
Sally Fallon is their leader, Weston Price did his research in the 1930's and died in 1948, long before the WAPF emerged. The WAPF is really a foundation based on Sally Fallon's book "Nourishing Traditions" which is actually a pretty interesting book to read. A great deal of her inspirations come from Price, thus the name of her foundation, BUT she also quotes lots of other researchers and holistic thinkers. It's a quote-heavy recipe book, and that is what makes it so interesting. Sally's ideas are her TAKE on Price's work. A for-instance is that Price never talked much about fermentation, but Sally is really big on it.
There is another foundation based on Price's work, the Price-Pottenger foundation. They don't always agree with Sally's take on Price's work.
I've stated before here, and I don't know if it is just an hilarious coincidence, but the fermented-cod-liver-oil maker and Sally Fallon's maiden name are the same. You can't make this stuff up!
I feel like Sally and her crew have run so far down the road of vitamin A and cod liver oil that they can't really backtrack. I don't THINK that there is anything nefarious to their commitment to VA and CLO. The fact that many people go on and on taking it year after year, while others fail hard on it does make it confusing.
My neighbor's kid's teeth healed on their version of WAPF, and I know they took the FCLO. But look at poor Ramiel Nagel, the king of "how to fix your teeth with wapf ideas" who died so young. Yikes.
Of course, just because something builds you up as a child doesn't mean that you can go on taking it forever. Look at Louis Cyr "the strongest man in the world". The diet that created his muscled physique also destroyed his kidneys.
My neighbor's kid ended up an olympic athlete on WAPF tenets. But will she someday hit the wall with the amount of VA she can tolerate? WAPF foods ARE higher-nutrient than the standard American diet. For good and bad!
Thanks for filling in the details! I did a sloppy write up of that lol. I was a big WAPF fan but that was 13 yrs ago! I think Price did good work, but I don't understand how CLO could fix anything. I know many parents gave it to their kids to prevent bad infections during the winter. Maybe it had just enough vitamin D to prevent the flu? Or maybe it really didn't work the way they thought it did. But why would anyone take that stuff if it didn't have any positives? Maybe flus/colds are a vitamin A bile dump and then if you take a bunch of toxic vitamin A it stops the symptoms?
Quote from lil chick on December 15, 2023, 7:58 amQuote from Janelle525 on December 14, 2023, 6:42 pmQuote from Nat on December 14, 2023, 6:30 pmWhy is the Weston A Price foundation (especially Sally Fallon) so obsessed with cod liver oil? Do you think it's an innocent mistake, or intentional harm?
What about their other teachings? Are they recommending any other harmful practices besides taking cod liver oil?
Because their leader Dr Weston A Price used cod liver oil and pasture butter along with generally a good diet to cure tooth decay. I have no idea how it did that though! I used both during my pregnancy with my younger son and he had horrible baby teeth almost every single baby tooth had decay soon after they came in. I knew people who claimed it worked. I think it was more likely the 'x-factor' Price called it in the butter. Which was later found out to be vitamin K2. So you could just take vitamin K2 and not become toxic in vitamin A and consume rancid oil. Price even warned not to use too much cod liver oil I can't remember what he said about it.
Edited to add: I just remember Sally Fallon may have had financial ties with the producer of fermented cod liver oil as well I can't remember, this was so long ago!
Sally Fallon is their leader, Weston Price did his research in the 1930's and died in 1948, long before the WAPF emerged. The WAPF is really a foundation based on Sally Fallon's book "Nourishing Traditions" which is actually a pretty interesting book to read. A great deal of her inspirations come from Price, thus the name of her foundation, BUT she also quotes lots of other researchers and holistic thinkers. It's a quote-heavy recipe book, and that is what makes it so interesting. Sally's ideas are her TAKE on Price's work. A for-instance is that Price never talked much about fermentation, but Sally is really big on it.
There is another foundation based on Price's work, the Price-Pottenger foundation. They don't always agree with Sally's take on Price's work.
I've stated before here, and I don't know if it is just an hilarious coincidence, but the fermented-cod-liver-oil maker and Sally Fallon's maiden name are the same. You can't make this stuff up!
I feel like Sally and her crew have run so far down the road of vitamin A and cod liver oil that they can't really backtrack. I don't THINK that there is anything nefarious to their commitment to VA and CLO. The fact that many people go on and on taking it year after year, while others fail hard on it does make it confusing.
My neighbor's kid's teeth healed on their version of WAPF, and I know they took the FCLO. But look at poor Ramiel Nagel, the king of "how to fix your teeth with wapf ideas" who died so young. Yikes.
Of course, just because something builds you up as a child doesn't mean that you can go on taking it forever. Look at Louis Cyr "the strongest man in the world". The diet that created his muscled physique also destroyed his kidneys.
My neighbor's kid ended up an olympic athlete on WAPF tenets. But will she someday hit the wall with the amount of VA she can tolerate? WAPF foods ARE higher-nutrient than the standard American diet. For good and bad!
Thanks for filling in the details! I did a sloppy write up of that lol. I was a big WAPF fan but that was 13 yrs ago! I think Price did good work, but I don't understand how CLO could fix anything. I know many parents gave it to their kids to prevent bad infections during the winter. Maybe it had just enough vitamin D to prevent the flu? Or maybe it really didn't work the way they thought it did. But why would anyone take that stuff if it didn't have any positives? Maybe flus/colds are a vitamin A bile dump and then if you take a bunch of toxic vitamin A it stops the symptoms?
Quote from lil chick on December 15, 2023, 9:17 amHi Janelle! Why would cod liver oil fix anything? Good question. hmm
I think VA is a weapon. I suppose that is one of the reasons that retinoid skin meds work.
I was brought up on A & D ointment, do other people's families use this? IMO this works as well as antibiotic ointment on cuts and small infections.
I can see that if you were an inner-city kid in Price's time, and low on every single vitamin including A, you might need weapons against infections like cavities (and tuberculosis and etc). So a bit of cod liver oil might have helped! I once tried to read the book "A tree grows in Brooklyn" but it was so depressing . If I remember properly, the impoverished kid, living at that time, subsisted on black coffee and donuts or white bread or something.
Even Price did say to take TINY amounts. I think Dr Ron talked about how one of his mistakes was to think that "more is more" when it came to cod liver oil. (He finally realized that cod liver oil wrecked his heart, although he blamed the rancidity, and not the high VA).
Hi Janelle! Why would cod liver oil fix anything? Good question. hmm
I think VA is a weapon. I suppose that is one of the reasons that retinoid skin meds work.
I was brought up on A & D ointment, do other people's families use this? IMO this works as well as antibiotic ointment on cuts and small infections.
I can see that if you were an inner-city kid in Price's time, and low on every single vitamin including A, you might need weapons against infections like cavities (and tuberculosis and etc). So a bit of cod liver oil might have helped! I once tried to read the book "A tree grows in Brooklyn" but it was so depressing . If I remember properly, the impoverished kid, living at that time, subsisted on black coffee and donuts or white bread or something.
Even Price did say to take TINY amounts. I think Dr Ron talked about how one of his mistakes was to think that "more is more" when it came to cod liver oil. (He finally realized that cod liver oil wrecked his heart, although he blamed the rancidity, and not the high VA).