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Vitamin D, good or rat pioson?
So I'm so perplexed by Vitamin D.
I've been eating a low A diet since the end of 2020, and have tried to follow the work of Dr. Smith in this regard (I watch his Love Your Liver videos as an example). BUT, this Vitamin D thing; he's adamant that supplementing with D is a BAD thing. But I've watched enough lectures by other dr's and researchers, not to mention many testimonials of people whose health improved significantly by raising their D levels through supplementation, to think everyone else can't be wrong and Dr. Smith is the only one right about this (Smith can be very conspiratorial at times, and there's also Morley Robbins who is against VitD, but I don't buy is copper-is-wonderful theory either). There is at least one video by a dr. who directly takes on this 'rat poison' thing and her reasoning seemed really solid to me.
Anyway, I've read through enough posts here to have respect for a lot of people who contributed here, and I'd love your feedback on this.
I take 10000 IU every day, if I take less I start craving it.
I used to have big problems with vitamin D, and calcium, and sodium, and coffee, and thyroid hormone. They all used to only give me negative symptoms. But after cutting out heme-iron foods I started tolerating all those substances again, and started to get positive effects from all of them. However as of late I've started questioning my previous theory, as some things containing heme-iron has not given me symptoms, and some things not containing heme-iron (like egg whites) have made the same problem come back. Maybe it's something else in some cuts of meat that is giving me this issue, like histamine or something, that's what a lot of people who have problems with minced meat blame, isn't it? I had some really lean whole cut of beef the other day and experienced no negative effects, no sensitivity to calcium or vitamin D.
When calcium and vitamin D "works" for me it has a calming, relaxing effect, and it seems to calm my heart and the chest pains i've sometimes experienced. When calcium and vitamin "don't work" for me they have the completely opposite effect. Actually this whole experience made me suspect that there might be some kind of similar situation with vitamin A, but as of yet I have not found that any dietary change affected my tolerance to it. The only thing that has made me somewhat less sensitive (as in have less acute symptoms) to carotenoids is thyroid (thyroxine) supplementation, but all VA still have negative effects on me.
I wouldn't suggest taking more than 10k even if it feels good, I've experimented with it and it feels like it has a serotonergic effect (by that I mean it has a similar blunting effect to SSRIs and serotonergic roots and herbs), which I think is a really negative thing, Ray Peat has some good articles about the dangers of serotonin on his website.
I suggest you have your serum Vitamin D level checked. It is a simple blood test. Many people with chronic disease are low and benefit from supplementation. This was the case for me in about 2009- long before I heard about VA toxicity.
A higher Vitamin D level has also been proven preventive for C19 and so likely for other viruses. It is even part of the prevention protocol from FLCCC as well as a stronger form in their in hospital protocol.
Here: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/medical-evidence-and-optional-medicines/ Under additional medicines you will find 3 Vit D articles.
This second reference is a long document with currently 81 VD citations (references included). This document is continually updated. Just search Vitamin D. You might also search Calcifediol- this med is used to rapidly increase VD by Rx and may provide more info.
source: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FLCCC-Protocols-–-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdf
I follow this stuff so these were the references I had on-hand. They may not be applicable to your question directly. These days it’s hard to trust doctors- am I’m a nurse! But I believe these are doctors you can trust.
Quote from Grace on April 9, 2022, 12:03 pmI suggest you have your serum Vitamin D level checked. It is a simple blood test. Many people with chronic disease are low and benefit from supplementation. This was the case for me in about 2009- long before I heard about VA toxicity.
A higher Vitamin D level has also been proven preventive for C19 and so likely for other viruses. It is even part of the prevention protocol from FLCCC as well as a stronger form in their in hospital protocol.
Here: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/medical-evidence-and-optional-medicines/ Under additional medicines you will find 3 Vit D articles.
This second reference is a long document with currently 81 VD citations (references included). This document is continually updated. Just search Vitamin D. You might also search Calcifediol- this med is used to rapidly increase VD by Rx and may provide more info.
source: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/FLCCC-Protocols-–-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdfI follow this stuff so these were the references I had on-hand. They may not be applicable to your question directly. These days it’s hard to trust doctors- am I’m a nurse! But I believe these are doctors you can trust.
Interestingly, ones Vitamin D "deficiency" is associated with liver damage. Cause and effect or correlation?
I'm in the camp that poor health/liver health causes low Vitamin D and supplementation won't necessarily fix it.
I stopped taking vitamin D when I started my vitamin A detox in late April. I can confirm I had high calcium on my hair mineral test analysis from 6 months before the detox.
My vitamin D levels have been "great" for the last few years ~55-60. I don't know what my vitamin D level is now, and don't feel inclined to check it, because I feel better than ever.
n=1, so don't take this as advice, just a story. I have three kids: two mostly healthy pregnancies and babies, one absolutely catastrophic. The baby and I almost didn't survive. We had many, many complications and she's got severe TBI, likely from a perinatal stroke.
Right when she was conceived, I was taking 10k iu Vitamin D daily. Throughout the pregnancy, I took 5k iu Vitamin D daily. My only horrible pregnancy with diabetes, preeclampsia, etc., etc. Just awful.
I'd never recommend Vitamin D for anyone now that I'm on to a potential killer. I think there absolutely is something to the mouse poison argument. I mean, they test all our drugs on them after all.
@chickadee, thanks for that. I decided not to take VitD out of an abundance of caution. I'm sorry you had such a rough pregnancy, but that is fascinating nonetheless.
@chris-4 Thank you! It was life-altering and I'm grateful that we both survived. I am just now starting to feel healthy after that horrifying experience, half a decade later.
Have you tried / considered Vitamin D / UVB lamp therapy during the winter? I just ordered a lamp and plan to try it soon.
I was really just going to skip it altogether, but my kids' primary care doc has really been pressing me to give them D3 again. "I know *you* have been not taking supplements," she says. And the implication is some sort of medical neglect, if I don't give manufactured D3 to my kids, sigh.
I doubt she'll be a fan of the sun lamp, or when I refuse MMR shot #2 for my youngest.
Quote from chickadee on October 13, 2022, 1:19 pm@chris-4 Thank you! It was life-altering and I'm grateful that we both survived. I am just now starting to feel healthy after that horrifying experience, half a decade later.
Have you tried / considered Vitamin D / UVB lamp therapy during the winter? I just ordered a lamp and plan to try it soon.
I was really just going to skip it altogether, but my kids' primary care doc has really been pressing me to give them D3 again. "I know *you* have been not taking supplements," she says. And the implication is some sort of medical neglect, if I don't give manufactured D3 to my kids, sigh.
I doubt she'll be a fan of the sun lamp, or when I refuse MMR shot #2 for my youngest.
I have a Planet Fitness membership and they have tanning beds. So I go and do it a couple times a week in the winter.
And that cannot have been a fun battle to fight with your doc re the MMR shot refusal. I don't have kids and I'm grateful I haven't had to go through that hell. I had enough pushback for not getting the CVD shot which given the many recent reports of injuries am so grateful for.
I tried the Sperti vitamin D lamp and I ended up returning it. I used it just one time and it made me feel kinda weird. Like an unpleasant burning in my skin, not a nice feeling. After that, I looked it up on the LYL network and saw people say that in a YT video, Dr. Smith didn't recommend them specifically because they give off so much UVB. People say he said that regular tanning lamps are better! His reported reasoning is that it more closely mimics the ratio of UVA and UVB from the sun. I don't have the original source for his recommendations, but wanted to share what I found, and my personal experience, for the Vitamin D archive...