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@lil-chick

You got me thinking of the scene in fight club where they are stealing fat from the plastic surgery center.  He spills the bag of bio waste fat all over himself.  

I lost teeth to vA scurvy.  Dogs did too.  Yellow brown stained All those teeth were beautiful and white after a couple days in peroxide.  They were all perfect teeth.  Gums and ligaments however were horrible.  Teeth did not break nor crack.  They loosened painfully.  

Feels like vA undermines softest tissues first.  Curious that I have eaten beef with seriously yellow fat during WAPF years.  I have never seen yellowed marrow though.  I used to buy marrow bones.

here is the clip.    So interesting to me that they put this random scene about visceral fat in this movie about a depressed young man...

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@lil-chick

So gross.

Interesting yes, not surprising at all.  The movie is spot on throughout. 

Remember the scene as he insurance adjusts on the burnt out car?  Everything in that movie is spot on.  That car was a Crown Victoria.  Ford was sued by something like 70 police departments because Crown Vics were exploding on rear impact collisions and killing so many cops at traffic stops.  Same problem as with their Pinto.  Like the guy splained on his flight - Ford and their insurers did the math.  It was cheaper to leave the defective electrical system in place that ignited fuel lines and tanks killing people than to change the design and the assembly line and prevent the problem.  They factored in the average cost of legal fees and settlements at about 1 or 2 million dollars per family killed.  

That was part of the beauty of the movie that so many missed.  The author of the book is an horrific scary guy.  Suggest you pass on watching his interview with Rogan.  Some people are just too accurate on societal norms and their horrors.  Not that I would know anything about that.

Funny when I splained that to wife's family, sister in law related it to me knowing all the conspiracy theories.  Hilarious how the training of society's dominant cult comes through.  There was no theory involved.  I sited court established non-fiction data.  Conspiracy alright.  Not theory and nothing pejorative about my knowing it.  If anything makes me question her for not reading on matters like that.  

 

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Oh, thanks for finally clueing me in on why that movie was one bizarre scene after another.   Also, it explains the pen name of the online writer Tyler Durden.

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I think I have an answer to this. It takes long because we keep doing something(s) that stops us detoxing in the first place. Which is why we accumulated all this vA in the first place.

I recently caught a virus that caused my blood pressure to spike badly, probably because of the irritation involved. Because I am always conscious of potential damage to my eyes, I started a pranayama to lower blood pressure. It worked very well but while I was doing it I could distinctively feel the dreaded chill of vA rising in the blood!

This means that vA is being excreted when we are in parasympathetic mode!

- Too much time in stress stops detox and boosts accumulation

- A simple breathing exercise 10 mns two or three times a day drains me of more vA, years after starting the diet. So much so that I took charcoal to mop it up, I was starting to feel cold. And the charcoal stopped the cold, most probably because it was not really cold, just the cold feeling associated with vA.

I have now done a week of this and I feel great! It now takes a bit more than 10 mns  to feel the onset of the cold.  I now stop as soon as I feel the cold. No need to overwhelm my blood with too much vA. I have decided to go on a 4 months  program. Already my blood pressure has gone down 20% approximately. I think I remember @ggenereux2014 mentioning a link between blood pressure and vA. This may be it.

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This is interesting - would you be able to describe the movement/breathing you did please Ourania. I’d like to try it. 

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In another life learned that dancing, laughing, movement,....... reduced/eliminated hangovers on heavy drinking nights.  It worked next day as well albeit not as painlessly.  Someone explained much later that our lungs are first avenue of detox for aldehydes in blood.  That is what we smell on breath when hungover.  Formaldehyde from the metabolized alcohol.  

What you outlined @ourania

reminds of Wim Hof's breathing exercises.  

Curious about the chills you noted when vA is dumping into blood.  That idea does track with my memories.  My worst longest chills were during jaundice.  How did you connect those chills with vA?

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@tanveen I think this could be helpful. In 8 days my blood pressure has fallen from 188/105 to 135/85, normal for my age (soon 74!!). Resting heart rate from 78 to 63.

What I am doing is a low tech relaxed Chandra Bhedna Pranayama.

Low tech because I don't use a timer, just count on my fingers which are available all the time  🙂

I count with the thumb of my left hand, pointing to the creases of my fingers + top of the finger : this gives 4 counts per finger, total 16 counts per hand and I now do 3 hands (approximately 10 mns). In the beginning I felt the chills in after two hands, now I have to go to four hands to feel them. I am not sure this is a good idea, so I shall stick to three hands and do the exercise three or four times a day instead of increasing the amount of hands.

Relaxed because I don't sit straight, just lounge in my sofa with a cushion to rest my right arm. Sitting up in the recommended position is painful for the right arm closing the nostrils. Which is why yogis in India cut the tendon under the tongue so that they can close the nostrils from the inside with their tongue, no need for lifting your arm, also keeping their practice secret!!! More secret by counting on beads with the left hand hidden in a small bag!

Once in position, I close the right nostril and inhale slowly through the left nostril counting 1-2-3-4, then I close the left nostril and exhale through the right nostril counting 1-2-3-4. This counts as one breath on my left hand. Just repeat after that.

Do not exagerate the in or the out breath, just keep it easy and natural.

The difficulties are

  • lacking motivation, it helps if you can monitor your blood pressure, the progress is so obvious that you get excellent motivation!
  • finding time to do it , solved by no preparation at all, just approach the sofa, not immediately after eating!
  • trying to breathe fully, not neccesary at all and is actually counter productive as this will create stress.
  • trying to do it for a longer time than you can do it without getting the chills. I think many people tried it and got discouraged because they felt unwell (discharge of vA!). In one week I gained two hands before getting the chills, so this means there is huge progress. I suspect that after a few weeks something major will have happened but let's see.
  • pain in the right arm, solved by the sofa/cushion position
  • pain in the nostrils. You should gently close the nostrils from underneath, no pinching of the nose!

Good luck! Please report your results!

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@joe2 I am not sure the effect is due to the amount of air expired. In fact this is a very relaxed breath, not really expelling more air than normal breathing.

The effect is due to the activation of the vagus nerve, putting the body into parasympathetic mode, which is the mode in which draining happens. Most probably the vA goes into the lymph and ends up in the faeces.

About connecting the chills to vA.

As a child I was very much suffering from the chills, feeling very cold when no one else was feeling cold, even when the place was warm! Thyroid tests brought no help. I was supposed to be perfectly normal. Which I wasn't, because just as my father and many of my cousins, I HATED dairy. Parents were afraid I would not have enough calcium, but I puked even a thimble amount of milk, even heavily laced with brandy to make it palatable. Actually I even refused milk as a baby, my mother's but also formulas. I was brought up on fish broth with later added carob flour.

As a adult I drifted to places where I could not feel the chills anymore (warmer climes with no dairy to be seen), successfully until my sixties. I had completely forgotten about them, I thought I was "cured". Until I started the low vA diet, and the detox episodes brought the chills back!! I could recognize thzm immediately!

I have otherwise no proof. But I am personally quite sure! These chills make me feel cold, but not only. They are like burning ice, it is clear that something very acid is at work. Something lethal to the cells. Like vA?

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