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Will Sodium Ascorbate or Ascorbic Acid cause more bone loss?
Lots of Vitaman C is recommend here and as well as in another mercury toxicity group. I'm worried if either of these will cause more calcium loss from the bones. Does either lower blood ph?
Is sodium ascorbate worse since sodium draws calcium into urine? Does ascorbic acid alone cause our body to use calcium to neutralize it in the stomach?
How do I stop bone loss from vitamin A toxicity?
I've never read that vitamin C can lead to bone loss. Vitamin C is used to for building collagen so that should be helpful for bones. I did not know about the sodium and calcium link. I had posted a question my about teeth decaying more while doing the detox awhile back and someone recommend I keep taking C. I think you will also see recommendations for taking vitamin k2.
I wonder if people have good luck with silica supplementation and bone health? Or if silica can also raise pH and buffer retinoic acid like calcium without causing calcification in soft tissues?
Sorry, I'm not that helpful but maybe this will get some more looks if it got lost.
The reason I’m unclear on vitamin C is because it’s said that our body takes calcium from our bones to neutralize the acidity in our stomach.
Milk for example has been said in some studies to be the cause of bone loss and the high level of osteoporosis in the U.S. compared to other countries that don’t consume as much milk. The reason was that milk is very acidic in the stomach and our body uses calcium to counteract this I have not understood the way our bodies handle PH because to me milk feels less acidic than vitamin C. I also have read that yes vitamin C is acidic but once our bodies processes it it is actually becomes alkaline for our body. I just want to know how that happens. Is it by taking more calcium from our bones?
There may be other factors for my symptoms thkugh. For whole year I was brushing with non-fluoride toothpaste and drinking distilled water and swooshing it in my mouth everytime I eat and brush, when I noticed how fast my teeth were losing its whiteness. Worst of all, the teeth that had more enamel loss to begin with were thinning incredibly faster and my gums on those teeth have receded to the roots. That same year I was also eating an incredible amounts of VA from lots of sweet potatoes and eggs and broccoli and fruits. Then the addition to maximum amounts of vitamin D suppliments seemed to tipped everything over.
Yes I’ve read having too much sodium, our bodies secretes it through urine and pulls some calcium with it. Yes K2(mk4 and mk7) helps direct calcium to the right places. It is found in grass fed animals and is very lacking in our diets. That’s probably the case for me because what took seven years to calcify the plaque on my bottom two front teeth too just a year to do after cleaning it a year ago. One theory to why I have to wake up to urninate every night is because my body is constantly trying to level the acidity in my blood to the appropriate level.
im not sure about silica but cutting out VA and addressing K2(mk4 and mk7) deficiencies seems to be a more direct approach. Introducing more silica May off balance something else but I’m only just throwing ideas out there for consideration.
I have read much (but certainly not everything about vitamin C) and never saw concerns about it pulling calcium from bone. If anyone has please chime in. Even if it did, perhaps the benefits of C building collagen and being an antioxidant (isn't RA a oxidant?) then maybe this would more than compensate for any negatives?
Quote from Guest on March 22, 2019, 8:34 amI have read much (but certainly not everything about vitamin C) and never saw concerns about it pulling calcium from bone. If anyone has please chime in. Even if it did, perhaps the benefits of C building collagen and being an antioxidant (isn't RA a oxidant?) then maybe this would more than compensate for any negatives?
Just want to add I know that acids are proton donors but some can still oxidize. Sorry, I know only the basics of biochemistry.
@john You might be interested in this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26343111
Didn’t read the article (costs $), but from the abstract it looks like too much Vitmain C can harm bone cells (something to do with oxidative stress). If you’re worried about that, you could probably get enough Vitamin C from low Vitamin A fruits and vegetables like white potatoes, white onions, strawberries, and cauliflower.
I don’t eat those foods every single day, so I’ve been supplementing with ascorbic acid (since I started eating low-VA) to prevent deficiency. Currently, I’m probably taking a bit much, so I will lower my dose. I have seen improvements in my teeth despite this, though!
I haven’t read this article ($ again), but it suggests that 200 mg is the ideal intake for most adults:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10408398.2011.649149?journal
Quote from Guest on March 24, 2019, 9:26 am@john You might be interested in this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26343111
Didn’t read the article (costs $), but from the abstract it looks like t
Thank you. Seems like it was speculative about whether too much C becomes bad for bone but too much of most can be bad. The hard question is what amount is optimal/or too much for each particular person.
Nice that your seeing positive changes in your teeth. What are you seeing and do you attribute to your low vitamin A diet , vitamin C or both?
Hey @john !
(Was signed out earlier, I’m comment #6.) I think our own body is our best bet insofar as answering that question (cravings for high vitamin C foods = you probably need more). I like to consume Vitamin C in powder form so I can taste it. Then if it starts to taste too strong, or if I’m grossed out by it, I know to cut back. Got this idea from a naturopath I went to some years ago, who was reluctant to recommend vitamin supplements of any kind.
My teeth are “filling in” where they used to look translucent, my gums are less inflamed, and my toothaches have stopped (I was in need of some dental work—probably still am, but am going to wait a bit longer to find out because I think it’s possible I may need less in time).
I don’t attribute this improvement to the vitamin C supplementation, because I was getting plenty of vitamin C in my diet before going low vitamin A. It’s honestly mind-boggling to me that this is occurring, because my diet has not changed that much aside from cutting out fruit/veg, eggs, butter, and cheese. I’m still eating a fairly high carb diet, including refined foods (sugar, white flour, chips).
And I’d thought eggs and cheese were good for the teeth... 😝 Sure is humbling to realize how little we understand about nutrition.