One of the criticisms made against the low vitamin A diet theory in Jay Feldman’s and Mike Fave’s 2024 hit-piece videos was that the diet was not working fast enough.
I addressed that criticism by explaining:
- Firstly, we don’t really know how long it should take to recover from vA toxicity damage because it has never been done before on a wide scale.
- More importantly, since everyone is coming into this with vastly different dietary histories, ages and backgrounds it is impossible for there to be a standard recovery timeframe.
- Lastly, what is documented in the literature is that the damage caused by vA toxicity is often permanent.
However, Jay and Mike are partially correct too. Yes, it is often taking too long, or worse. As I explained in my Tackling the Detox Setback blog post:
Of course, it would be fantastic if most people could take on this diet and just reliably see their health slowly improve. Then, regardless of how long their health recovery takes, the low vA diet would be far more acceptable. Although a slow steady recovery has been the experience for many people, it’s too unpredictable and too random.
The Good News
The low vA diet is indeed working for a lot of people. About this time last year I had received a bit of a flurry of very positive progress reports. I was getting a new report about once a week, and from people from all over the world, saying that they were making great progress in recovering their health. This year I’m still getting such reports, but the pace has slowed down to maybe one every two or three weeks. So, there’s no doubt that the low vA diet works for some people. Although these progress reports are great, I think the overall success rate is still far too low.
The Bad News
Over the last few years I’ve become aware of cases of people on the low vA diet, and although they may have had some initial success, where their progress quickly stalled. For some people their health then took a major step backwards. In my opinion that’s completely unacceptable. For this project to be a success most people need to experience a positive result.
Something that’s bothered me for a long time now is that early on in this low vA diet project I had two of my friends, and of my vintage, join me in this experiment. They both made great progress and sailed through in recovering their health without any setbacks. So, what are the differences between us old guys and these other people who have had a bad result? Well, one of the key differences is that some of these other people have been taking certain supplements and we weren’t. Additionally, I think these other people might have taken in some very bad advice too.
I’ve had several reports of people suffering severe setbacks in their health almost immediately after taking lactoferrin. One person reported that it had setback his progress by two years. I can’t help but wonder how many of the people who have had their progress stall have also been taking lactoferrin? Lactoferrin promotes rapid bile dumping and that’s pretty much the last thing we want to do when we are sick. And not knowing who has compromised or partially occluded bile ducts there’s no way of knowing who’s going to have a bad response. So, in my opinion taking lactoferrin and such is all risk with very little upside. Clearly, in some cases supplements are indeed ruining the low vA diet.
I think that by not taking lactoferrin and going slow and steady is far safer and probably going to be more successful in the long run.
Bob’s case
A few months ago, I received an email inquiry from a young man (age 30ish) who had been diagnosed with Ulcerative colitis. He’s on medications and said his overall health is just getting worse and worse. Bob (not his real name) came across this YT video from another young man who reported making very good progress in recovering from his own Ulcerative colitis using a low vA diet.
Anyway, Bob started reading more about the low vA diet and came across a report of a child who’d been harmed while on the diet. Bob stated: “I’m already really sick, I can’t risk getting sicker” and was looking for assurance that he wouldn’t. Of course, I can’t give such assurances.
Very sadly, Bob decided that the low vA diet was not for him and was going to stick with conventional treatments (which often ends with the removal of the colon). I say very sadly because there are other case reports in the carnivore diet crowd where people have recovered from Crohn’s / colitis, so I think the probability of the low vA diet working for Bob was quite high.
A few years ago, someone reported that there was a parent who had a child on a low vA diet and they suffered a setback in their health. I think that report was on my forum, but I’m not sure where I had read it. However, there was also some comment (either on my forum or by email) that they may have been taking lactoferrin too. I haven’t tried verifying that report, but I think it is possible as I’ve heard that there are hundreds of people taking lactoferrin. Either way, I think this might be the case report that Bob was referring to. If that’s true (and I don’t know that it is), then yes some of these god damn supplements are going to ruin the reputation of the low vA diet.
Calcium deficiency and bad advice
Back in 2021 in my Seven-Year Update blog post I highlighted the concern about the low calcium intake on the low vA diet. To address that concern for myself I started drinking mineral water. Moreover, up until 2024 I had been drinking spring water (and even our tap water) with a calcium content of about 300 mg/L. So, I was getting about 500 mg of calcium per day just from water. Meaning that water was my primary source of calcium and other minerals including magnesium and potassium. Of course, I was also getting some calcium etc. from beans too. I seem to have done OK with that combined amount.
Making a bad situation worse
We already know that a vA toxicity condition depletes the calcium in the bones. Very unfortunately there have been some folks strongly advising people to exclusively use reverse osmosis or distilled water. In the context of an already low calcium diet this is very bad advice because these two processes remove all the minerals from the water and result in the water being slightly acidic as well. Therefore, drinking these waters will force your body to pull even more calcium from the bones to maintain a proper pH level. So, this “expert” advice is pretty much a prescription for disaster. Of course, one could re-mineralize the water with supplements but why take on the risk of bone loss, added costs and why make it so complicated?
Can this bad situation be made any worse? Sure, it can! Just start taking yet another acidic supplement such as nicotinic acid.
Completely aside from the added risk of more calcium depletion I’ve had several reports now from people running into the classic symptoms of nicotinic acid toxicity. Specifically, two people have reported developing dry skin and eczema like rashes. Another person has reported developing a dry scalp and dandruff. I fully expect in a year or so we’ll start seeing a lot more reports such as these.
Once again, some of these god damn supplements have the potential to ruin your health and the reputation of the low vA diet.
Hope Tipton additionally highlighted the risk of low calcium and also the associated risk of nicotinic acid and shared her concern in this guest author blog post: Nicotinic Acid: Good or Bad?.
Shortly after Hope published her post, another person, who’s progress on a low vA diet had seriously stalled for multiple years, emailed me saying that they had recently started supplementing with calcium and had made an almost immediate and huge improvement in their health. So, yes, there’s no question that some people have been running into a calcium deficiency.
Now, am I completely 100% against taking nicotinic acid? No, I’m not. There’s potentially some benefit to it. But you really need to do the risk / benefit analysis on it. As with any supplement you first need to be very, very sure that you truly need it. Then you need to be especially sure that it’s not going to cause you harm in both the short and long term. For me, personally, the potential for harm from long term nicotinic acid use (such as dry skin, heart attacks and strokes) just far outweighs the possible benefits. Also messing with the body’s lipid metabolism is just a very bad idea IMO. Please use your own critical thinking and decide what’s right for you.
Now, correspondingly you should be very sure that you are getting adequate amounts of the essential minerals including calcium, magnesium and potassium. The foods common in a low vA diet are probably not going to provide enough therefore some form of supplementation is likely needed. Fortunately, these mineral supplements are very inexpensive and available everywhere. I think drinking mineral water is a pretty good strategy, but you’ll probably need another source as well. In the short term you could even just use something like TUMS (calcium) or Rolaids (calcium and magnesium).
Censorship and suppression of the negative results
What happens when things go wrong with taking supplements? Well one thing is that many people are not going to want to publicly admit they’ve made a mistake and thus they’ll self-censor. Some other people might not want to speak up out of fear of making someone, or someone’s program, look bad. I also know that there’s imposed suppression of negative results and the threat of being kicked out of certain programs and forums for speaking out.
As I’ve mentioned in several blog posts I am completely opposed to censorship and covering up or manipulating the facts. Rather I think we should highlight and discuss the failures as much as we do any success story. Only by being open and honest can we determine what and why things are sometimes going wrong. Rather than being afraid of making a supplement “look bad”, if it is bad then you have an obligation to speak up and share that information. And if someone threatens to kick you out of their program or forum for doing so then that is a huge and clear sign that it’s not worth being a part of. BTW, this kind of censorship and threat of being kicked out of the group is one of the hallmarks of a scam or cult operation. Just saying…
Not speaking up and not sharing the facts can indeed ruin the reputation of the low vA diet.
Beware the “Experts”
As I’ve stated multiple times before, people need to be extremely careful in taking anyone’s advice and or supplements and especially so when that advice comes from someone who’s primary motive is to take the hard-earned money out of your bank account and put it into theirs.
A recent prime example of this is all the self appointed “experts” on YT, including multiple MDs, pushing liver as a “super food” and of course some of them selling their liver pills. That advice has been an absolute disaster for so many people. In addition to the case reports I wrote about in my recent Eating liver and cancer blog post, I’ve since received even more reports from people who were eating liver and are now dealing with cancer.
As I stated in my eBook, we’d all be vastly better off if we never heard a single word from the so-called “Health and Nutrition Experts”!
I did notice there was a guy called Andrew B banned on the forum.
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/tackling-the-detox-setback-by-grant-genereux/
Can you address that?
Cheers
Retracted…
I think you have me confused with someone else. I was attempting to explain what might happen when people reintroduce eggs after being on the low vitamin A diet. I dont think it’s helpful to describe vitamin A as a poison as it might affect people’s reaction to those foods when they attempt to eat them again. Mind-body well known issue.
Okay thanks for clearing that up Grant.
This is the post I got banned for. Mischaracterisation to say I made vulgar and disgusting comments towards other forum members. I think you should apologise. https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/what-can-go-wrong-with-eating-eggs/
How has he cleared it up ? He’s made slanderous comments. I’ve never made vulgar or disgusting comments towards other forum members.
It’s true. Andrew was always acting civil. Never out of place.
You repeatedly made false accusations about people who disagreed with you.
Good points, Grant.
Low A itself is anti-calcium due to the nature of how calcium in used in detox mechanisms. Niacin, zeolite, MSG, Lactoferrin and bile production are all changed and use calcium.
I have done nothing but gain weight on low vit A. 50lbs in the last year. My entire goal is to go DOWN on the scale, not up.
I think the balance between calcium and phosphates is hugely important to health. You need both but in balance. With the addition of phosphate salt additives in processed foods it’s easy to get phosphate overload even if calcium intake is high, which itself sends a signal to the body that calcium is low even if it might not be.
Further, the fortification of dairy with Vit D messes up all of this balance by signaling PTH via heightened calcitriol.
Much to learn, more to think about.
I wrote a substack article on the dynamic here https://willofeuropa.substack.com/p/calcium-calcitriol-phosphates
Yep, the massive promotion of vit D by all the “health experts” is likely another major health disaster in the making.
What about suppression of good results ? The one thing most of us agree on is that reducing high consumption of vitamin A and/or carotenoids is very helpful. Here my group having had serious problems with following the low vitamin A diet (estimate 1000+) introduced phosphatidylcholine and betaine mostly from food sources and are doing much better. There could be thousands as the 2 groups have 5,000 people in them but I’ll say it’s at least more than hundred people are doing much better. We receive only misinformation from Garrett Smith about how to treat hypervitaminosis A (you dont remove all vitamin A sources) and no willingness to address the horrendous errors in his eggs and choline twitter thread. He says eggs and dairy are toxic contradicting real world experience in numerous countries with good longevity. I even got banned from the forum here for explaining the intricacies of introducing eggs after very low vitamin A diet. We all do much better with a small amount of retinol converting to retinoic acid perhaps it’s 100 mcgs. Beta carotene in grass fed red meat is a good source of tiny amounts of retinol if you are a good converter. We have as much right to say vitamin A isnt a poison as you do the opposite. n=100+ says so and billions eat 3-7 eggs per week. We are the disenfranchised majority. I was censored in one network and banned mistakenly from yours.
Lots of the eggs in the UK now are starting to have orange yolks which is very problematic for humans I believe but possibly good for the chickens if we eat less of their eggs.
RE: “I even got banned from the forum here for explaining the intricacies of introducing eggs after very low vitamin A diet.”
Nope, that’s absolutely not true. AFAIK, all of your comments regarding eggs, choline etc. still remain on the forum, unaltered, uncensored.
I was trying to be helpful and explain what went wrong with reintroducing eggs. Why did I get banned then ? For disagreeing with you that vitamin A is a poison ? Mind-body connection is well accepted too.
Andrew, it would be interesting to study those who seem to require eggs in order to thrive. Could it be that they are consuming more fat than Grant did? Choline is very important for fat metabolism. Could it be that they are not consuming enough legumes? Both legumes and egg yolks are rich in folate.
I dont think there’s many that were doing much higher fat than Grant. We were tending towards low fat as instructed. Not so much that it would affect choline. I was eating loads of beans when I ran into problems. I did a post on Twitter regarding the main problems people are encountering. Grant is probably a good converter of beta carotene to retinol from the grass fed meat he’s eating. About 40% of people might not be and they need retinol from eggs or dairy. Choline to phosphatidylcholine conversion being poor is the main likely reason for needing more choline from eggs specifically. https://x.com/AndrewDBaird1/status/1968610489883095196
Ive been following Grant and Garrett for many many years. I think it was 2018 when i started the low vitamin A diet. I lost weight and felt better from many ailments but I think it did take years. I started eating foods again that had vitamin A probably in 2024. I was always scared to do Carnivore because some people seem to vastly imrpove their health only to become really sensitive to anything else later added in. Well eventually the anecdotal evidence over the years seems so profound i thought i would give it a try. Funnily enough im terrible at diets. Few years after doing low vitamin A i developed a bit of a drinking habit. Im doing much better but still have some sometimes and im not proud of it at all. Ive always had “something” altering” since I was a teen and I could probably use ibogaine iowasca or psylocybin megadosing to rewire my brain. I cant have cannabis anymore cuz of my job and that kinda led me to drink more and crave a dopamine hit and a form of false relaxation after work.
Anyhow…Ive been reading about different diets for a couple decades at least. The science of nutrition is still really young. I wanted to wholeheartedly believe eating low vitamin A foods was the holy grail of feeling better and fixing disease. Well it sure seems to help a lot of people but others not but it is always contextual. Some people get more sunlight. Some people eat tons of carbs. Some people genetically make or dont make vitamin conversions. Some people have wrecked intestinal lining or gut dysbiosis. Some people have very sluggish or clogged bile ducts. Some people like my brother has Lupus and hes being doing Vitamin A for years but still takes pharmaceuticals for managing pain and Reynauds and because of the effects of his meds we will never know what his diet outcome would be otherwise. Some people seem to thrive on carnivore with eggs includes end maybe even organs once in a while. Some people seem to feel better including fermented foods or high quality dairy Kefir (a2 unhomogenized etc) Some people cant tolerate eggs. Some people say carnivore uktimately burned out their hormones over time and had to add fruit back or honey or raw dairy or all of the above like Paul Saladino which some argue he takes too much liver and that’s his problem. I would love to believe theres just one way I could eat and feel great forever but I still think we could use more science and better testing of what humans really need in different scenarios with different genetics, locations in the world, stress levels, toxic exposures and what have you.
Maybe people can eat more eggs and rip through vitamin A if theyre in ketosis. Maybe if we tried to eat more seasonally and ancestorily appropriate we wouldnt run into situations where tons of carotinoids are mixed with fat and readily absorbed. Maybe sweet potatoes and carrots from a garden wouldnt bother some people if they only had them in summer and didnt eat with lots of fat. Maybe in the winter a little bit of liver wouldnt bother us because we are burning fat like crazy and metabolically much different if we lived in a northern climate and pretended humans didnt have access to all kinds of foods 365 days a year (processed, pesticide riddled, or otherwise). There seems to be a lot of carnivore folks out there that thrive on eggs. Maybe itll eventually catch up with them? Maybe metabolically its handled much more efficiently. Maybe having a great microbiome, healthly intestinal lining, strong stomach acid, healthy liver gallbladder and bile flow, pancreatic enzymes and bicarbonate and with no metabolic syndromes of any kind we can handle things differently. I kind of liked Dr Garrett Smiths idea of just getting the liver healthy but i havent read his stuff in years. He just started to feel a little kooky to me always selling shit and all of the sudden becoming religious but it felt like a marketing strategy. I wish him and his followers well.
I dont think carbohydrates are the devil like some keto or carnivore folks do. Hey if even to just help some individuals stretch their meals and calories which is definitely true in some parts of the world. Mixing carbs and fats in high amounts seems to get us into trouble which only became a problem when we started sharing foods from everywhere all of the time. Higher carbs seems to require less fat, more activity, changes nutrient requirements like vitamin b1 and competing for vitamin C pathways and/or production yada yada. Carnivores dont get scurvy but some run into electrolyte issues.
What I am trying to say is there are a million variables. It seems logical to conclude that plants definitely have an abundant amount of defense chemicals and out of most species we can only “tolerate” a handful. Just like most mushrooms will make us sick or kill us. Plants have to prepared in certain ways or theyll definitely make us sick over time. Polished rice caused beri beri way back when ya? Raw veges seem to destroy peoples insides with IBS chrohns colitis or dysbiosis. Some people go in and out of ketosis and believe the metabolic flexibility and training of the mitochondria on the body helps them thrive. Truly understanding what the body needs, doesnt need, has trouble eliminating and all of that would help us a lot!
Liver overloaded with vitamin A? Oh lets stop consuming all junk. All fortified foods. Stop consuming foods that make you feel shitty. Give you diarrhea. Make you bloated. Lets make sure bile flows good. Stomach acid is strong. Make sure you get sunlight. Get movement. Sleep well. Emotional health is good? Lets check for mineral deficiencies or overloads. Lets check vitamin levels. Maybe youre super low in thiamine. Maybe you could use some b12. Maybe choline. Maybe ur biome is wrecked lets fix that. Maybe genetically youre better off with less.fat in the diet. Maybe youre better to eat mostly fatty meat.
Humans need better science. Better testing. Less corruption. More truth. Less conflicts of interest. More studies. Less chemicals. Regenerative farming and ranching. Perhaps better studying of electromagnetic radiation and it’s effect on us.
JERF. Just eat real food would help a lot of people. Then make sure nothing makes you feel ill. Experiment with Grants diet or Carnivore. No liver necessary you wont run out of vitamin A for years even if you need it; probably. Have no idea about the validity of blood tests and hair mineral analysis but maybe sometimes that could help. Do the best you can and eliminate certain foods as experiments with how you feel too. Sorry I just blabbed all of this out and typed on a phone. Just s bunch of food for thought. No freakin way would I go back and edit this like a language arts teacher would approve lol. Im just another 36 year old lost in this world. We are all so confused how to live. I could go on for years. Take a deep breath and just quit doing things you know youre body hates. Hey I am trying to. Easier said then done sometimes. God bless or not but good luck either way. Maybe ive opened somebodies mind a little??
Andrew, RE: “I think you have me confused with someone else.”
Yes, you’re correct. I have confused you with someone else. I apologize.
I haven’t read this blog in a while, but I see that some of my experiences with a zero-vitamin A diet (since 2018) have been confirmed. One of them is calcium deficiency, and you also have to be careful with many supplements that increase vitamin A excretion, such as LIV52! Unfortunately, calcium supplements can do more harm than good. Mineral water with a high calcium content is safe, and eggshell powder may also be safe. https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/calcium/?part=8#postid-23135
ironic that LACTOferrin is recommended in the community. It’s from milk (the unholy grail of retinol), and minimally found in other body fluids too.
I think it’s just an antibiotic for dysbiosis and there’s gentler alternatives.
V.A overload suppresses bile, so as people heal the gut dysbiosis should improve from the anti-microbial bile.
Another supplement, Zinc in low doses, we could agree is appropriate and safe for healing.
Thank you for your blog!
In your forum @joe2 said Was not surprised to see people like Andrew Baird advocating eggs and a “moderate vA instake” to temper symptoms. Completely understand the drive to relieve symptoms. The issue I took with the egg-sellers was their characterization of their intake as moderate. 5 eggs a day with liver intake weekly seems like a tad more than moderate intake. Maybe an f—-ton more than a moderate intake?
Please ask @Joe2 to stop misrepresenting my position. Nobody is eating liver. Most of the people (over 1,000 people estimated doing this out of 4,500 members) in the Vitamin A Toxicity group on Facebook eat 1-2 eggs a day. I eat 3 eggs a day. We found a solution to how to do the low Vitamin A approach which you keep asking for and it works more safely, quickly and effectively than what we were doing before. Bile flow improves which is what we want (isnt it ?) and is most unlikely to be us simply relieving symptoms (the unsubstantiated slur in the comment above). Hardly anybody on your forum seems to be succeeding. Misrepresenting us as being extreme does your forum no favours. We’re often eating just over 150 mcgs of Vitamin A a day more than you. These are tiny amounts and of great benefit to us when we also get nutrients like calcium, selenium and phosphatidylcholine from them. I take no supplements.
I think he heard you Andrew.
https://ggenereux.blog/discussion/topic/hi-andrew-baird/#postid-32781
Nevermind. Reposted here.
Andrew,
As long as you can still see this perhaps you can reply on Twitter where some of us still read you. Surprised to see you here after reading your comment last month on Twitter that you no longer have anything to learn from Grant. Also interesting that you completely dismiss people having good results here. And on Garrett’s blog.
I can confirm that I agree with some of your characterization of Garrett now that he is pushing hard to sell niacin, zeolite and monosodium glutamate. Shame that in all the arguments we had about him your claims of his bad faith lacked evidence. What is more of a shame is your pretense that there is not much more to learn from Grant, Garrett or the rest of us. Even as I disagree with Garrett and how he handles dissent, I still read him and his followers. I am still proud that the group of us he banned compelled him to change his paradigm on calcium. You might want to consider a paradigm shift there too. A few of us have found that eggs are unneeded when getting the calcium that is so uniformly lacking in low vA diets.
I am glad I stuck to my beliefs when Garrett coached me away from chicken broth made from whole birds. I was lucky to be one of the few who was getting calcium during my first 33 months on Garrett’s blog. I am glad to still get Hope’s guidance and am improving faster now as I add in more sources of calcium.
In terms of misrepresenting your position? You are in fact advocating eating much more vA than many find tolerated. On your first post as moderator you also claimed that seeing vA as a toxin is a mental illness and the cause of people getting sick from eating it. You have repeatedly and still do show zero respect and belief for what a growing list of us have proven and still are proving out daily. The science on vA is clearly fraudulent all the way down. Grant, I and a growing list of us routinely take in less than 1/1000 of the USRDA of vA. That is not the margin of error indicative of an honest mistake. Especially considering all the mounting layers of fraudulent science piled on top.
I do remember conversations on this blog about the best forms of liver to eat during my brief months when you and I argued about the propriety of taking over an author’s blog with 9 of your closest friends to write derogatory things about the blog like, um well let’s see – like what you wrote below?
Hardly anybody from your forum is succeeding? Really? Let’s go running lad. I have gone to 5 months on a walker screaming in pain more than a few times every hour of every day and sleeping 3 or 4 naps a night for 15 minutes maximum each to zero sacroiliitis pain, outrunning the neighbors’ 7 year old in the 40 yard dash – little maniac still crushes me in 20 yards. I am doing handstands, squats and working on splits. I loaded broke up and hand loaded enough concrete from my neighbors’ sidewalk to overload my dumptruck. Turned out to be 2.5 tons. Did it in 2 days. Alone. I am back landscaping doing jobs I could not do before. The last three nights I slept straight through uninterrupted by cramps and or bladder pain for a full 5 plus rems – 8 to 10 hour stints.
Yep sure, I represent an n=1. Yep sure there is a growing list of us all over. Many were reading this blog and not commenting on it because of the disrespect they routinely saw out of your top 10 “commentators” as you referred to yourselves.
I will repeat my longest running request for you Andrew. When are you going to open up you facebook forum to the public? Ironic in a bad way that you call it a public forum while maintaining a private entry to get in. Grant has demonstrated good faith and sound science by keeping this forum open for public view. In the process many of us have profited immensely learning how to reduce our supplements and symptoms while we maximize our performance and strength. I am glad to see all these posts from all sides of all arguments left up. Besides clarifying where good and bad faith pop up, it clarifies what works and does not.
Again, I am surprised if you are so sure of your metabolic speculations that you have not experimented further to confirm and or adjust your approach. Why not experiment with lower vA forms of choline and inositol? Why not sort out what and how eggs are having such an addictively relieving effect on you. It might help to sort out for the majority of us who finds eggs destructive.
As to Garrett’s claims on Twitter, I have read your replies and his threads. His references are rife and sound. The blue zone myths are just that. Egg intake is an indicator of shorter life spans not longer. The egg production of today’s chickens is aberrant agriculture. Farmed chickens 200 years ago did not lay 4, 5 or 6 eggs a week. Farmers kept chickens for meat and got a few eggs from them.
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October 7, 2025 at 5:53 am
In your forum @joe2 said Was not surprised to see people like Andrew Baird advocating eggs and a “moderate vA instake” to temper symptoms. Completely understand the drive to relieve symptoms. The issue I took with the egg-sellers was their characterization of their intake as moderate. 5 eggs a day with liver intake weekly seems like a tad more than moderate intake. Maybe an f—-ton more than a moderate intake?
Please ask @Joe2 to stop misrepresenting my position. Nobody is eating liver. Most of the people (over 1,000 people estimated doing this out of 4,500 members) in the Vitamin A Toxicity group on Facebook eat 1-2 eggs a day. I eat 3 eggs a day. We found a solution to how to do the low Vitamin A approach which you keep asking for and it works more safely, quickly and effectively than what we were doing before. Bile flow improves which is what we want (isnt it ?) and is most unlikely to be us simply relieving symptoms (the unsubstantiated slur in the comment above). Hardly anybody on your forum seems to be succeeding. Misrepresenting us as being extreme does your forum no favours. We’re often eating just over 150 mcgs of Vitamin A a day more than you. These are tiny amounts and of great benefit to us when we also get nutrients like calcium, selenium and phosphatidylcholine from them. I take no supplements.
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