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A common deterioration one year after starting a low-vitamin A diet?
Quote from Jiří on January 11, 2026, 4:14 am@joe2 all I am saying is that I can't be sure if Grant is really doing so amazing as he is saying.(that his body is still doing better and better even after the period he fixed his major health issues) But I know that he is all in with his theory. So at this point it would be really hard pill to swallow to admit he is wrong. I am not saying that he is wrong, but there is the possibility. It could be this "frog in boiling water theory" in his case and because we don't ANY data apart from some podcast once every 3 years where he doesn't look like person with good level of energy to be honest.. I really don't know how you can be co confident in this.
Yup. I can not be sure if I am doing better or worse let alone if you are or anyone else. For all I know Grant's eczema is killing him a slow death and has been for 11 years. Or that he is doing dialysis all this time and not donating plasma. These are all possibilities. Am old enough to remember Fraudci claiming that 30% of the population dying of a fraudulent non-existent asymptomatic virus was a possibility. Possibilities are not established realities that we need to act on. You provide zero reason to question Grant's credibility other than possibilities. I can question your intentions here with real possibilities but I carefully do not. Instead I presume your intent to be pure and move ahead with what facts and statements you give me.
As to my confidence in this, what gives you the idea I have confidence? It took me 2 years in keto before I learned enough to not wreck myself with beginner mistakes. My first 6 months I was almost passing out every morning until I learned I needed to up my salt intake. Similar problems with first 2 years of vegetarian and first 2 years of zone diet. That is why I find it so hilarious when someone claims they have been studying and working a paradigm a long time and they know it works and teach it to others. After all they have 18 months real experience and read at least 3 books. I am still studying and reading on vegetarian, macronutrient balancing, keto and carnivore diets. I was 6 months into studying carnivore when I crashed. I had planned on trying carnivore after another 6 months of study. I still read on them. I still am embarrassed for people advocating something they just tried out. More embarrassed for people who claim to study and work a paradigm for 7 years when clearly they ate crap all the time and pretended they worked the paradigm.
Besides all that, I was all in with lacto ovo vegetarian for 14 years. Until I was not. I was all in with zone 40/30/30 diet for 15 years. Until I was not. Same with keto for 12 years. During all those years, I was convinced that everyone everywhere needed to eat like me or suffer the consequences. Until I was not convinced. And during all those years, people accused me of being extreme, close minded, a guru follower, a cultist,....... until I was not.
So I am a little humbled now after my WAPF crash of 11/2022. I doubt anyone other than my wife, dogs and chickens can profit from a low vA diet. The main difference this time around for me is that everyone I talk to about this diet gets to hear me recommend they do not try it.
Regardless of the reason, I acknowledge that the vast majority of people who try to go low vA will fail and miserably. My point is that their failure hardly constitutes evidence that low vA is a bad idea. I have a niece in her 30's who drank coffee since her toddler years. Alot of coffee. And chocolate. And pop. I have enough experience with caffeine addicts that I will leave if she decides to withdraw from caffeine. Either way, I am not going to use her experience as evidence that caffeine is or is not a nutrient.
The only evidence either way that I am interested in finding is in someone who suffers damage from not getting vA or in someone who actually quits vA quantitatively enough and long enough to see results expected from someone withdrawn from a toxin. My and Grant's experience already convince me vA is not a nutrient. Same is true for my wife, our dogs and chickens. A nutrient by definition needs to be taken in regularly. The need must be frequent enough that storage is not an option. Any time any one goes more than a few months getting less than 1% of the USRDA of any nutrient I have all the evidence I need. Let alone years. Let alone decades. Let alone a growing group of us.
So to be every bit as honest as you, I have no idea why you put so much effort into a concept you insist is so nefariously wrong.
I am 37 months into avoiding and depleting a substance that ALL of my sources in ALL of my 4 plus decades of study on topic told me is not only vital to my health, strength, cognition, power, endurance but that it is the first of all nutrients and the absolutely most important of all nutrients. It is so vital that the public must be forced into taking extra doses of it in foods so often that it can not be avoided.
37 months convinces me that somewhere along the line someone was a bad faith actor. In fact it is a safer bet that a whole group of people were bad faith actors and way more of us were just to dumb to see it for whatever reason. Kind of reminds me of what Fraudci et al did with coophid. Come to think, Liam Scheff did a great job proving that Fraudci, Gallo et al did the same thing with HIV.
Now can you please outline why you are so confident that Fauci and friends were maybe not so bad faith? Or why you are so confident that vA and all other Rockefeller based science is not as fraudulent as PCR tests for an asymptomatic fictional disease?
Quote from Jiří on January 11, 2026, 4:43 am@joe2 Do you think Grant would admit that he was wrong with "vit A is just a toxin" at this point when he is all in with this theory for so many years? Just asking..
Yes. Convinced.
More convinced that your definition of all in is very different than his. I have also been characterized as all in. On a number of diets. In fact, I was all in on trying them. In conversations with Grant it is easy to see he is all on proving one way or the other whether or not vA is a nutrient. To prove it requires being much more than willing to admit whatever the results are. Why do you think he refused to make any profit off of this?
Look. I had similar conversations with someone else who is making quite a profit from the low vA paradigm. Like you he recognized how determined I am. Unfortunately, he perceived that determination as devotion to the idea instead of devotion to making the success or failure of the idea obvious. The people I still talk to in old paradigms are the same as me. Give them some evidence that their paradigm has a weakness and they will test that. Barring that lets talk about something more productive.
Your insistence that Grant is too devoted to the paradigm to be honest is in fact calling him out as a bad faith actor. Do you have evidence of that other than repeatedly claiming that it is a possibility?
I am seriously confused by your presence here if you think the guy's claims are so suspect.
I was too. She writes as prolifically as I do. She brings out alot of ideas earlier than most other writers.
Unfortunately, she claimed often and for a long time that a specific brand of sunfiber was lead toxic. She had zero basis for the claim. She insisted inspite of cogent factual arguments from many people including the brand owner. Third party lab tests proved that the product's lead levels were below detectable levels. In other words zero. She persisted until finally so many people ragged her off on topic she stopped. I never did see an acknowledgement of the mistake let alone an apology.
I like that she reads as much as she does. I can not tolerate how careless she is with her statements. That post was a case in point. Like I said. You did a much better job writing out those ideas than she did.
I would reply to her on twitter on that post and correct her mistakes. My experience with her (and ironically enough with that brand owner she attacked) is that they only use such corrections to cover their tracks and make their next bad faith statements harder to sort out. I prefer at this point to let them make bigger and worse mistakes. It makes their bad faith more obvious sooner to a larger audience than any thing I can say or do.
@joe2 all I am saying is that low vit A diet can be beneficial until it's not. But you seem to have this confidence that that is the answer to everything. Just low vit A diet for life. For everyone.. You said it yourself that you we wrong with diets many times and so was I. That's why I will never have this confidence and that is because it is important to be open minded not close minded. Focused on one thing. It doesn't work in case of human health and diet. It is moving target constantly.. That's why people run into troubles all the time. When something is working it must work forever right.. Doesn't work like that..
In case of Grant I didn't said he would be dishonest to gain something. All I am saying is that Grant is just another human who can be simply wrong.
His work saved my ass 100%. Because nobody before that was pointing out on vit A potential dangers outside of that stupid "just don't eat polar bear liver and you are good"
But that doesn't mean I will blindly just take everything from him as a fact not even thinking about it. I say what I think. I am just honest. Not trying to disrespect him at all.
With you hard to argue about anything when you think all blood work and stuff is just mainstream BS with no value etc.. I see there is a thin line between be open minded and question everything within a reason and question everything just because it is great hobby or whatever to the point where you start to even question fundamental stuff so you are no longer in touch with reality like flat earthers or whoever.
"@joe2 all I am saying is that low vit A diet can be beneficial until it's not. But you seem to have this confidence that that is the answer to everything. Just low vit A diet for life. For everyone.. You said it yourself that you we wrong with diets many times and so was I. That's why I will never have this confidence and that is because it is important to be open minded not close minded. Focused on one thing. It doesn't work in case of human health and diet. It is moving target constantly.. That's why people run into troubles all the time. When something is working it must work forever right.. Doesn't work like that.. "
Jiri -
How are you so confident that you are sure what I am confident about even after I have told you I am not and that I do not recommend a diet? To repeat - I am confident that this diet helps me, my wife, our dogs and chickens. It has for 3 years. I am also confident that I do not recommend this diet to anyone else.
Please stop raising strawman arguments. You should know by now if you do not know it yet that I have never stated nor do I believe that it is the answer to everything. Every diet I worked for more than five years helped us and improved our life. Every diet has weaknesses and errors. Every diet takes at least 2 years to work figure out the bugs that others before us worked out during their first years. Every diet has weaknesses that will take years more to work out.
Please stop correcting me for saying and thinking things that I never said nor thought.
"In case of Grant I didn't said he would be dishonest to gain something. All I am saying is that Grant is just another human who can be simply wrong.
His work saved my ass 100%. Because nobody before that was pointing out on vit A potential dangers outside of that stupid "just don't eat polar bear liver and you are good"
But that doesn't mean I will blindly just take everything from him as a fact not even thinking about it. I say what I think. I am just honest. Not trying to disrespect him at all."
Considering your gratitude for his insight where all other science experts failed, one might think to give the guy the benefit of the doubt on other statements and efforts he is making. Where did I advocate blindly trusting Grant? This is another strawman argument telling me that something I never said nor thought is wrong to say or think.
Where did I accuse you of disrespect or dishonesty? My question about why are you here is direct and limited to the logic of studying this idea. If you distrust the source, why study it further?
"With you hard to argue about anything when you think all blood work and stuff is just mainstream BS with no value etc.. I see there is a thin line between be open minded and question everything within a reason and question everything just because it is great hobby or whatever to the point where you start to even question fundamental stuff so you are no longer in touch with reality like flat earthers or whoever."
The fact that I have such low regard for mainstream tests like bloodwork might give an open minded person pause to consider why someone in that field questions that field. When a former chef refuses to eat at a restaurant, wise folk take a pause to consider why that chef feels that way.
Are you incapable of seeing the irony in equating "question fundamental stuff so you are no longer in touch with reality" here? Do you really think you can talk to a majority of people about overuse of vitamin A in food, vaccines, pharmaceuticals and supplements and the damage it incurs without the majority of people lumping you in with flat earthers? Just being on this blog tells me you question the most fundamental consensus established nutritional science going back generations. Even if you think vA is still a nutrient, if my memory is correct you at least acknowledge the the USRDA for vA is at least 100 times overstated. What percentage of people on the planet do you think are ok with that idea? What percentage of people that you talk to about it are going to lump you in with flat earthers over it?
I will try to say it again and more clearly.
I am devoted to proving or disproving vA is a nutrient or a toxin. I am confident that Grant is too. Conversations with Grant, you and a few hundred other folk on topic convince me more and more that Grant is easily the most trustworthy and devoted person to proving or disproving that fact regardless of the results of the research. The fact that he risked his life in the process for 11 years ought to be proof enough.
After that I am devoted to proving or disproving if vA can be removed from my life to good effect regardless of what the answer to that question is. The only way I know to answer that question is to try depleting it since I have already tested what happens when vA is repleted.
After that I am devoted to finding the safest, easiest and most effective path to depleting vA. I have some experience besides learning the pitfalls and victories of other diets. I also have experience breaking and healing from addictions. Right now I am using all those acquired skills to make the process work better. Considering the results I have so far I have a bit of confidence in my ability to recognize obstacles in this maze and get around them. In the end, my results speak for themself. The same applies to Grant's results.
Which reminds me, when choosing who's ideas and intent to trust, we do well to avoid looking for spokesmodels we think look good. We might do better to consider their results and their path to getting there. How easily is their path replicated? How sane and healthy is their cognition? Even with that said, the few videos I have seen of Grant I am impressed with how healthy he appears in mind and body. I might have an advantage over you in that regard. When I see his expressions looking dour during certain conversations, I have some personal insights that explain why he is looking dour. I am familiar with topics and individuals that if you knew more about them they would make you look dour too. Hard to look happy, healthy, wealthy and wise while biting one's tongue over a proven bad faith actor.
For what it is worth Jiri, alcohol is a great analogue to vitamin A. It is also a very similar toxin. The analogous aspect of alcoholic beverages to vA foods and supplements is in how we treat them and consider them. I have alcohol addicted family and friends. I have worked with alchohol addicted children and adults in a school system. While I am confident that alcohol is a toxin, I do not recommend anyone stop taking it. I am too familiar with what that costs. Many are better off staying addicted. I have never met anyone addicted who profited from being told they need to get off it. I have seen and in some small ways helped more people get off it than most knuckleheads I know. So far everyone I know who got off it is better off than when they were addicted. At least I think they are better off. That is a judgement each of us needs to make at least once a day. Some of us many times a day. So far I am happy with having made that decision more that 15,700 days. But that is not always the right decision. And it is never my decision to make nor even recommend for anyone else.
Now am I going to be confident about the idea that alcohol is a toxin?
Hi @daniil, et al,
Firstly, I want to say that I’m very sorry that I’ve been MIA for most of last year. I’ll explain more about that soon. It was not related to my diet.
Regarding this chart:
It was really just a sketch that I put together, and not based on hard data. However, I still think it’s a good representation of what’s commonly happening.
However, I think we (or at least I) have a pretty good understanding of what’s going on now.
- It’s normal for some people to experience an increase in serum vA (and retinyl esters) after adopting a low vA diet. Activated charcoal and additional dietary fat are good counter measures.
- Some people have been running into a calcium deficiency, and probably other electrolytes deficiencies as well.
- I have absolutely zero doubt that many people have been messed up and have had their progress stall due to taking dubious and risky supplements.
RE: For all I know Grant's eczema is killing him a slow death and has been for 11 years. Or that he is doing dialysis all this time and not donating plasma.
Haha, that totally cracked me up this AM. Thanks. No, I’m not dead just yet, still doing OK, and still donating plasma not dialysis.
But, this project is not at all about just my results. I’m just one person. However, after a decade there’s no question we should now have 100’s of real success stories in this project. However, my sense now is that the success rates are still far too low, and maybe even declining. Do the supplements and bad advice from the “experts” account for this? Who knows for sure, hard to tell. And since there are some bad actors in this space along with their shenanigans, I think that makes doing another survey unreliable??
RE:
But I know that he is all in with his theory.
Yes, I still am.
So at this point it would be really hard pill to swallow to admit he is wrong.
Yeah, maybe, but I hope not. Since I don’t have any financial interest in this theory I’d like to think that I can still be objective. So if it ends up being wrong, then it’s wrong and I’ll admit that.
I am not saying that he is wrong, but there is the possibility.
Yes, indeed. There’s always a possibility that I’m wrong. However, I still don’t think so.
Please let me know if I can provide more info. Thanks.
I’ve been on the diet for 9 1/2 months now (started April 2025) and I think this diet probably saved my life too. Unlike some who entered into a vitamin A-toxic state slowly over time, my demise was sudden and catastrophic (a week after the Covid vaccine) and it’s very clear to me what caused it. A couple of weeks off the diet over Christmas saw some of the symptoms return (brain swelling and stomach swelling). I’m not taking any supplements - I don’t think we can balance such an intricate web of internal chemicals ourselves as well as the body can at this stage but I could be wrong and I am open to ideas. I like lil-chick’s idea of vitamin A being a toxin to fight off disease in limited circumstances (like plants may use toxins to fight ‘invaders’ or threats) but I’m not basing it on any hard evidence at this stage, just a theory. At the one year mark, I may experience some detox symptoms as the vitamin A is leaving the body but I’m not sure how to get around it at this stage so if that’s the best way to get it out at this stage, I will continue with the diet. Just summarising my experience for others’ benefit - I am so grateful I came across this diet (I’ve been doing turkey, pinto beans and rice).
I've been thinking about this subject all week and I have a few little things I'd like to throw out there.
*Extreme* vitamin-A overload is extremely dangerous. Think of the study on the 3 year old who, despite actually getting a proper diagnosis, still died. Think of the polar explorers whose feet sloughed off and died. Think of the fact that the native population told them not to eat the bear liver. If a person is facing this type of extremity, things have gotten pretty bad. Like the toddler, or the explorers, even changing their diet might not save them. Real damage has occurred. It's hard to stop a freight train. Could detoxing add another box car to the freight train? Maybe. It might save them. Or it might not.
I've mentioned that I think that my mother might have been vitamin-A overloaded when she was pregnant and nursing my siblings and I. In older times, my siblings probably wouldn't have made it to adulthood. We are talking about juvenile-onset auto-immune issues. She had a "skin lupus" diagnosis. However, my mother is still alive at 84. She had too much vitamin A, but her poisoning was not as extreme as the toddler or the explorers.
I recently had a family member pass, and I want to point out something interesting about him and his sister. He was fit and lived to 86 and passed, while his sister was obese and is still alive at 92. There is a reason people put on weight and why the body hangs onto it. (toxin storage). Sometimes sleeping dogs are better to lie. Of course it is no fun to be obese. This might be another gradation of vitamin-A overload. (possibly common by old age).
I've often thought about why I have such a hard time dropping the alcohol. I think it is because it is a way to temporarily shut off vitamin-A detox that doesn't add more vitamin A. Vitamin A detox is no fun.
We are probably not really evolved to detox large amounts of vitamin A. We are probably meant to eat moderate amounts daily, put on a bit of protective middle aged weight, and then give-in at old age and let the next generation start anew.
People who come here just hoping to looks-max or health-max should consider just adopting a low-medium vitamin-A diet. Stay just below the level in which they wake the sleeping dog.
If people are suffering to the point in which life has become to hard to bear, they are dying or desperately in pain, then going lower ?might? make more sense.
Please do know that I arrived here at this site burned by self-experimentation and that is the lense through which I see the world.
Anyways, time will tell. I read this, this week: Truth is truth no matter how many people don't believe it. Lies are lies no matter how many people believe them. I just want to know the truth.
It's probably important to consider:
-buffering agents such as possibly charcoal or soluble fiber.
-making sure that all the ways of detoxing are not blocked (such as good breathing, lymph flow, movement, not being constipated or dehydrated).
-cutting back on other toxins.
-that hard work is gonna be going on.
Quote from lil chick on January 13, 2026, 9:59 amI've mentioned that I think that my mother might have been vitamin-A overloaded when she was pregnant and nursing my siblings and I. In older times, my siblings probably wouldn't have made it to adulthood. We are talking about juvenile-onset auto-immune issues. She had a "skin lupus" diagnosis. However, my mother is still alive at 84. She had too much vitamin A, but her poisoning was not as extreme as the toddler or the explorers.
I recently had a family member pass, and I want to point out something interesting about him and his sister. He was fit and lived to 86 and passed, while his sister was obese and is still alive at 92. There is a reason people put on weight and why the body hangs onto it. (toxin storage). Sometimes sleeping dogs are better to lie. Of course it is no fun to be obese.
Yes probably depending on genetics different people deal with toxins in different ways. Some are able to store them and thus get obese. Some (my case) detox aggressively through the skin and thus get seb derm, eczema etc. Was the Nature unsure which is the better way?