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Quote from Ray Devlin on November 3, 2019, 11:55 amVit-D supplements do not help with the likes of osteoporosis. I have personal experience of this. In fact doctors will ply you with the stuff long after the recommended dosage period. For example, Alendronic can give you a hernia
in your stomachin your diaphragm which slowly allows the stomach to push up and through, coming to rest upside down. Natecal had zero effect on a person's bone density -- this individual grew smaller, the spine also hunching over which added to the radical loss of stature.
In Austria all older people receive vitamin D drops as a standard treatment but without magnesium+B6, vitamin K, boron.. and they overdose with it, no wonder it doesn't help. I personally know the people with cancer, epilepsy where the vitamin d was very helpful but also supplemented with cofactors and only up to max. 40 ng/ml. Some people have low vitamin D but have no deficiency symptoms, they feel good and healthy - no reason to supplement vitamin D, clinical picture and symptoms should always be considered, not just vitamin D value.
If someone starts to supplement vitamin D, there may be an initial worsening of symptoms, but then one should feel better and better (better mood, no more bone, musle pains, muscle weakness...)- it means the body needs vitamin D. I had this reaction.
"I have been in a lot of pain and when I started taking vitamin D3 it got worse. Is the vitamin D causing this?
An increase in pain symptoms after starting Vitamin D Therapy are common side effects when first starting vitamin D supplementation. These vitamin D side effects can be very worrisome, uncomfortable and difficult to work through. Many people want to stop vitamin D therapy due to this pain, but that is not a good idea. In fact, the people who need vitamin D the MOST are most often the ones who experience this pain.
The pain is due to the vitamin d forcing calcium back into demineralized bones. Water is drawn into the bones along with the calcium. This swells the bones very slightly and pushes against the inflexible periosteum. The periosteum has a significant number of pain receptors and this can be experienced as bone pain. For those that already have pain from vitamin D deficiency, the pain can become worse. For those that do not have bone pain already, they can experience bone pain upon first beginning this protocol. This bone pain is temporary and should resolve in a few weeks. "
"The pain is due to the vitamin d forcing calcium back into demineralized bones."
I have never read that vitamin D forces calcium into bones. The nutrition text book I have says vitamin D causes the body to absorb more calcium from food and that if blood levels are too low in calcium, vitamin D can cause calcium to come out of the bones. I've read other health sites, etc.... and couldn't find that D puts calcium into bones but I haven't read everything. What is your source for that?
Quote from romaine on November 4, 2019, 4:22 am"The pain is due to the vitamin d forcing calcium back into demineralized bones."
I have never read that vitamin D forces calcium into bones. The nutrition text book I have says vitamin D causes the body to absorb more calcium from food and that if blood levels are too low in calcium, vitamin D can cause calcium to come out of the bones. I've read other health sites, etc.... and couldn't find that D puts calcium into bones but I haven't read everything. What is your source for that?
It is not only vitamin D, it is the synergy of nutrients important for bone health - calcium, magnesium (magnesium is needed for vitamin D activation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29480918 ), phosphorus (but mostly we have enough in the food), manganese, copper, boron, silicone, zinc and especially vitamin K ( to deposit calcium in appropriate locations, such as in the bones and teeth) and as the minerals build in the bones, this process can cause bone pains. Especially if a person has been deficient for a long time and there is already a severe deficiency. But with slow saturation and low doses, this does not have to happen so dramatically. Therefore, only vitamin D supplementation without cofactors does not work. Every vitamin and mineral needs synergistic nutrients to be optimally built in in body. And it is always better to saturate slowly and take most of the nutrients from food, vitamin D from sunshine, but sometimes the deficiency is so severe that it cannot be solved only by this.
Quote from bludicka on November 4, 2019, 5:38 amQuote from romaine on November 4, 2019, 4:22 am"The pain is due to the vitamin d forcing calcium back into demineralized bones."
I have never read that vitamin D forces calcium into bones. The nutrition text book I have says vitamin D causes the body to absorb more calcium from food and that if blood levels are too low in calcium, vitamin D can cause calcium to come out of the bones. I've read other health sites, etc.... and couldn't find that D puts calcium into bones but I haven't read everything. What is your source for that?
It is not only vitamin D, it is the synergy of nutrients important for bone health - calcium, magnesium (magnesium is needed for vitamin D activation https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29480918 ), phosphorus (but mostly we have enough in the food), manganese, copper, boron, silicone, zinc and especially vitamin K ( to deposit calcium in appropriate locations, such as in the bones and teeth) and as the minerals build in the bones, this process can cause bone pains. Especially if a person has been deficient for a long time and there is already a severe deficiency. But with slow saturation and low doses, this does not have to happen so dramatically. Therefore, only vitamin D supplementation without cofactors does not work. Every vitamin and mineral needs synergistic nutrients to be optimally built in in body. And it is always better to saturate slowly and take most of the nutrients from food, vitamin D from sunshine, but sometimes the deficiency is so severe that it cannot be solved only by this.
I am very aware of all the other nutrients involved it both making vitamin D and interactions with other nutrients. But I never read that a role of vitamin D was to get calcium into bone and that is what I was asking about.
Thanks for the Dr. Smith vitamin D links @josh ! I just saw in the new Nutrition Restored community on the Mighty Network App that Dr. Smith recommends using tanning beds to get vitamin D in winter for people in my climate, so that’s good to know, too.
Also, thanks for the summary of the forum thread. It scares me a bit that the c60 is so sensitive to going bad, but it’s the same way with omega 3s I guess (essential in small quanitities, toxic and carginogenic when rancid). The CEO in the form thread who runs the lab that did the study was saying they were testing different vehicles of c60 for “efficacy and toxicity,” and a year later they offered free testing of c60 products to members of the LongeCity forum. Looks like they recieved a grant to study it further, but I haven’t been able to find the results of that yet.
Haha I get what you’re saying about people into longevity @bludicka (that’s not my world at all). 😆 To me it’s more interesting as a possible antidote to vitamin A poisoning (if I had alzheimer’s or parkinson’s I’d test it out for sure). Pectin in the bloodstream sounds intense, but how interesting that people with cancer use it.
@raydevlin Sounds scary!
Here is a short report from my dad who has been taking c60 for 1.5 years. He has been worried about heavy metals for awhile, in particular aluminum so that is the reason he started it. He thinks his cognitive function/memory and eyesight are better and he uses c60 topically and says that it seems to heal his wounds faster. The dose he takes is 3 dropperfuls every other day. He has tried different brands and didn't notice any differences between them. The latest brand is Heavenly c60. He also uses black seed oil, not sure how long he has used that but any benefits could be from that also or instead.
Quote from romaine on November 15, 2019, 5:55 amHere is a short report from my dad who has been taking c60 for 1.5 years. He has been worried about heavy metals for awhile, in particular aluminum so that is the reason he started it. He thinks his cognitive function/memory and eyesight are better and he uses c60 topically and says that it seems to heal his wounds faster. The dose he takes is 3 dropperfuls every other day. He has tried different brands and didn't notice any differences between them. The latest brand is Heavenly c60. He also uses black seed oil, not sure how long he has used that but any benefits could be from that also or instead.
Thanks, @romaine ! 😁 (And thanks to your Dad for giving the report, as well!) How interesting that even the eyesight has improved. I’m glad that he has been seeing such good results on it.
In Dr. Smith’s Mighty Networks group, people seem to have an increase in detox symptoms when they begin it.
@puddleduck I think his progress is small. From what I've read you have to take alot to get big benefits and he may not have had detox because of his dose, though he didn't report how much he started out with or if it has changed. He doesn't seem to have much concern for vitamin A toxicity, he is most concerned with aluminum.
At least he seems better. He had a bad fall from a roof about 2 years ago that really impacted him of course - crushed his pelvic bones, etc...
Ah I see @romaine... I didn’t realize that about the dosage. Sounds like it would be expensive to take a larger amount. Also, if he is not reducing vitamin A in the diet as well, you wouldn’t think there would be that much impact on the toxicity level of that specifically (if that is a factor for him) but who knows. This all seems pretty speculative at this point.
I don’t know much about aluminum toxicity, other than it’s hard to avoid it in the diet since it’s common in food and water. But it sounds like c60 is marketed as a general detox substance then. During Christmas break maybe I’ll have the time to read a bit more about it.
Oh dear, what a bad accident! Hard to bounce back from something like that at any age, but especially when you’re older.
@puddleduck Not sure if longecity dot org is the best source on c60, but that is where I've read the most about it. They have people posting there that have lab tested various c60 brands as far as purity, etc.. and they seem to go deep into discussing the cancer risk with it. The expense and the cancer scare are what have stopped me from trying it but I may in the future if I'm still not better/desperate, or there is more safety research on c60.