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Carnivore and Bile Acid Malabsorption
@nina, the little girl Ruth’s poisoning was due to her crawling on the pesticides sprayed carpet; nothing to do with her diet.
Just because you cannot eat something is not an indication that is it generally bad. Your digestive system might have a problem and not necessary the food you malign. Also, I am specifically talking about the soluble fibre and not the roughage (insoluble fiber). Or perhaps the carnivore diet is amazing and will curd all your ills. Just give it time as it is a vital component of healing .
Your assertion that “if it was so vital, it wouldn’t happen” is truly cute. But that’s about all. I heard similar beliefs in all kinds of situations: if it wasn’t good for us, it wouldn’t be sold in the store, …it wouldn’t be prescribed by a doctor, …we wouldn’t be forced to take it (as in vaccines). I invite you to look beyond this style of thinking.
And yes, I have an amazing experience with soluble fiber: it eliminated my 30 years of suffering with very weak digestive system. The carnivore diet didn’t. So, I am terribly biased but - each to his own.
Quote from Beata on April 9, 2022, 7:26 am@nina, yes 95% of bile gets reabsorbed IF there is no soluble fibre in the digestive track to carry it out of the body. So, maybe this is a case for ingestion of soluble fiber?
@wavygravygadzooks wrote a day or two ago that reabsorption applies only to bile acids, not the bile itself. Is there a source for this claim about reabsorption other than Karen Hurd and Dr Smith?
I didn't know that. So there might be something to it. Who knows.
Well, haha no I don't think like that. I wanted to say: IF there is an EVOLUTIONARY advantage to fiber, why do so many of us struggle with it? Shit food in the store or prescribed medicine have nothing to do with our evolution. But anyways...
It is very interesting to hear that it helped you so much. Did you use a fiber supplement such as acacia gum? Or natural foods? I'm not opposed to try it... maybe it really can speed up some of the detox.
Please STOP repeating that BS about bile reabsorption unless you can show some research to back it up. I've knocked that idea down over and over and OVER again and you've not once responded with anything remotely of substance. You're just sowing confusion on this subject, like Smith is sowing confusion about all kinds of stuff he can't back up, like the media and governments you're so annoyed with are sowing confusion about the virus you're most likely suffering from.
Every time I tried to figure out where people on Smith's forum were getting this information, they would say "Karen Hurd wrote a paper blah blah blah". The only time anyone provided a link to anything whatsoever, it was to a ScienceDirect site where they had clearly just typed in "enterohepatic circulation" as a search term, and there was absolutely nothing with Hurd's name on it. Then I tried really hard to find anything Hurd might have published, and the only thing I came up with was what looked like a term paper assignment for some class she took in a post-secondary school where she had done a literature review on enterohepatic circulation.
She appears to have done zero actual research herself. All of the information on her website is paywalled. I could only find a few interviews with her online, listened to one of them, and found her advice to be completely upside down and ridiculous, with no real supporting evidence for any claims about enterohepatic circulation of toxins. It seems that all of her credentials stem from the anecdote of her curing her child.
Now, I don't doubt that she did save her child, which is a wondrous thing for both of them. But if you're going to think critically about this...we don't know what exactly she fed her child, we can't isolate the fiber aspect of the diet from other nutrients in the diet, and we don't know what things she might have stopped feeding her that could have also contributed to healing. As far as the general public claiming to feel better on her Bean Protocol, that could happen in a variety of ways, many of them in spite of consuming fiber and plant toxins. Number one on that list of possibilities is that most of these people are shifting from a Standard American diet to a whole foods diet, which is one thing that dietary science has managed to repeatedly measure and shows that people generally improve on a whole foods diet. But again, we don't know if it is the result of the addition of nutrients from whole foods, the addition of fiber, or the elimination of processed carbs and sugars...considering that people get better by fasting, I would argue the greatest benefits might come from elimination of processed foods and not the addition of plants foods/fiber.
As an aside, Karen Hurd repeatedly took her poor daughter BACK INTO THE SAME CONTAMINATED LIVING SPACE after she began falling ill. If she had any good instinct, she would have never walked back into that house after she first suspected there was something wrong with it. The only credentials she does have are from being a chemicals specialist in the military, which is how she identified her daughter's problem herself, yet it took her how long to decide that she needed to keep her daughter out of that contaminated space?
Thanks for uploading all those links to the books!
Keep your critical thinking caps on. You two are some of the only ones I've come across on these forums who seem to have a chance of thinking everything through with me.
Quote from Beata on April 9, 2022, 8:27 am@nina, the little girl Ruth’s poisoning was due to her crawling on the pesticides sprayed carpet; nothing to do with her diet.
Just because you cannot eat something is not an indication that is it generally bad. Your digestive system might have a problem and not necessary the food you malign. Also, I am specifically talking about the soluble fibre and not the roughage (insoluble fiber). Or perhaps the carnivore diet is amazing and will curd all your ills. Just give it time as it is a vital component of healing .Your assertion that “if it was so vital, it wouldn’t happen” is truly cute. But that’s about all. I heard similar beliefs in all kinds of situations: if it wasn’t good for us, it wouldn’t be sold in the store, …it wouldn’t be prescribed by a doctor, …we wouldn’t be forced to take it (as in vaccines). I invite you to look beyond this style of thinking.
And yes, I have an amazing experience with soluble fiber: it eliminated my 30 years of suffering with very weak digestive system. The carnivore diet didn’t. So, I am terribly biased but - each to his own.
Same here. I went muscle meat carnivore for about 2 years and while it did keep symptoms low for the first year or so, my autoimmune illness came back even worse than before.
Almost 9 months low vitamin A and 7 months including mostly beef, black beans (pressure cooked) and some oats and my symptoms are practically resolved.
Quote from wavygravygadzooks on April 9, 2022, 11:11 amWhat is your autoimmune illness?
Rheumatoid Arthritis
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@wavygravygadzooks temper, temper my dear! Yes, I am parroting her theory but I could swear that somewhere I read a study about the bile circulation and reabsorption. I will find it and wipe your mouth with it.
And FFS, stop acting like a bloody vegetarian!!! You flipped to the other side and are not able to see anything else. We are all here to chat, investigate, experiment, learn and make mistakes while you are thumping people’s heads with a dry sausage.
Eat your bloody meat and let people be. I love the f*$*@ beans and feel better than ever before in my life. You don't like it, can’t accommodate it in your tightly fitting freezer chest full of mince, scroll down.
Karen’s child was poisoned with pesticides from a carpet - and dying. Her research let her to find out about the soluble fiber’s ability to detox through the bile. It is amazing to see how you cannot accept certain facts. Bacon a bit tight around the little grey cells perhaps?
Ah, English is my third language, so I am not sure if what I said above is socially acceptable. My apologies if it isn’t.
@nina, I lived in Greece and Egypt and saw people eating copious amounts of beans, vegetables and fruits. - and living to a good old age. My Greek landlady was 102 and still living alone - eating beans several times per week. Fasolada is a well liked Greek bean dish. Egyptian eat beans for breakfast everyday. I doubt they would survive without them because the pollution in Cairo is so think, you can cut it with a knife.
Yours is a good question and I will expand it a little: why are we so sick? We have better conditions that ever before, 24 hours per day access to food, medical services, all type of convenience.
Maybe we are not well adapted to modern, 21 century life…
I did not use any fiber supplements; tried the psyllium seed powder but didn’t like it. I introduced beans, slowly from a tablespoon daily. Took me a while to adapt to them but it was well worth it and very successful in terms of health.
Haha, socially acceptable or not, bring the fury! 🙂
Because I am, above all, interested in the truth and understanding how to fix health problems, I will readily accept being wrong if you can come up with good evidence to the contrary. But I've been on these forums for nearly two years now and so far there's no good evidence to speak of that I've seen.
I'm not going to waste my time on any of the other points...my arguments clearly still stand.